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Old 01-29-2014, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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It seems like a good idea to me to compare the political parties of both countries.

The conservative party of Canada looks like the liberal party of Australia

The new democratic party of Canada looks like the labor party of Australia

The greens of Canada looks like the greens of Australia

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I did not know this - interesting thanks...
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Old 01-29-2014, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I don't know... But, considering the Liberal party of Canada as a centre oarty, I think Toronto is less to the left than Sydney. But it looks more moderate.
The liberal party is more centre when it comes to economic policy - in terms of Social policy it Is actually more to the left. Actually it was under a liberal party majority government that Gay marriage became legally adopted. Ditto for allowing Gays serving in the military back in the early 90's..
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Old 01-29-2014, 06:26 PM
 
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Same with here, most people are clustered near the coast. And yes, largely due to your greater population you have more cities in that range.
Fair enough - it may simply be just be a matter of having a greater population.. I guess large swaths of Australia are as undesirable to live in as large swaths of Canada. I was just speculating but I do think that the lack of a centre party is a reasonable explanation. In the Canada section there is discussion about Canada not have a 'national' identify...my feeling is and again just speculation is that Australia seemingly does have a stronger 'national' identity and as such may be part of that inclination to be more conservative and less inclined to move more to the left when it comes to some social policies.
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Old 01-29-2014, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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So knowing all of these things, can we say that both are equal politically ?
Canada seems more liberal and progressive than Australia, and Toronto a bit more than Sydney. Sydney has a lot of suburbs that aren't really that liberal, if anything Melbourne might be more liberal, the first seat the Greens Party ever won was Melbourne.
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Old 01-29-2014, 06:39 PM
 
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Canada seems more liberal and progressive than Australia, and Toronto a bit more than Sydney. Sydney has a lot of suburbs that aren't really that liberal, if anything Melbourne might be more liberal, the first seat the Greens Party ever won was Melbourne.
Toronto actually isn't too unlike Sydney in that there are clusters of conservatism in the suburbs - especially in areas with large Indian populations who have taken a strong shift towards voting conservative. Their values are seemingly more aligned with the Conservative ideology - yet even our conservative government isn't really all that socially conservative compared to other countries.
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Old 01-29-2014, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Toronto actually isn't too unlike Sydney in that there are clusters of conservatism in the suburbs - especially in areas with large Indian populations who have taken a strong shift towards voting conservative. Their values are seemingly more aligned with the Conservative ideology - yet even our conservative government isn't really all that socially conservative compared to other countries.
There are a lot of Muslims in Sydney (although actually half of Lebanese are Christians), i'm not sure how they vote but they tend to be quite conservative.

I feel racial/ethnic tensions are also sharper in Sydney than Melbourne and I would assume Toronto. Though not an everyday occurrence I can't imagine this happening in Melbourne, let alone Toronto today:


ABC Four Corners - Riot and Revenge - YouTube
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Old 01-29-2014, 07:20 PM
 
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I feel racial/ethnic tensions are also sharper in Sydney than Melbourne and I would assume Toronto. Though not an everyday occurrence I can't imagine this happening in Melbourne, let alone Toronto today:


ABC Four Corners - Riot and Revenge - YouTube
Wow - obviously I didn't watch it all as it is a full documentary (though I will watch) - I can tell you 100 percent this type of racial tension and violence would not and does not happen with any group in Toronto.. There may be small pockets of small groups or one on one fights - especially when drinking is involved but nothing as widespread and organized. Toronto is not a perfect utopia by any means but it is looks to be more racially harmonious. Would these outbursts happen against gays as well? I'm gay and remember 15 years ago as a teenager walking in the gay village with my BF and fairly frequently would have morons drive by and hurl homophobic remarks at us... one bunch of idiots threw eggs at me and my BF.. 15 years later and I don't see that happen at all...

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Old 01-30-2014, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Wow - obviously I didn't watch it all as it is a full documentary (though I will watch) - I can tell you 100 percent this type of racial tension and violence would not and does not happen with any group in Toronto.. There may be small pockets of small groups or one on one fights - especially when drinking is involved but nothing as widespread and organized. Toronto is not a perfect utopia by any means but it is looks to be more racially harmonious. Would these outbursts happen against gays as well? I'm gay and remember 15 years ago as a teenager walking in the gay village with my BF and fairly frequently would have morons drive by and hurl homophobic remarks at us... one bunch of idiots threw eggs at me and my BF.. 15 years later and I don't see that happen at all...
I've always seen as Canada as a mecca for political correctness and tolerance, I remember a lot of episodes of the original Degrassi Junior High/High had messages relating to that. I remember episodes about racism, bullying, homophobia, abortion, teen pregnancy.etc, which preaches messages of tolerance and understanding, without necessarily being too preachy or political themselves.
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Old 01-30-2014, 08:49 AM
 
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I've always seen as Canada as a mecca for political correctness and tolerance, I remember a lot of episodes of the original Degrassi Junior High/High had messages relating to that. I remember episodes about racism, bullying, homophobia, abortion, teen pregnancy.etc, which preaches messages of tolerance and understanding, without necessarily being too preachy or political themselves.
Basing Canada on Degrassi would be like basing Australia on Home and Away.

Like all countries there is a spectrum of conservatism and liberalism and a social conservative may sometimes be an economic liberal.
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:19 AM
 
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You said Toronto was a little more progressive than Sydney because Sydney have a lot of conservative suburbs. But the suburbs of Toronto are conservative too from what I know. So can you tell me which one you think is more to the left ?
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