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Old 06-27-2012, 06:32 PM
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Location: The Sand Hills of NC
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Oh great, I have to spell it out ; "throwing money at cars" means being able to land big sponsors, spending money on R&D. You really don't think it's ALL driver do you?
Childress has 6 championships
Gibbs has 3
Roush has 2
Get your head out from under that conspiracy rock for a minute and think.
As for Ganassi & Penske, just well funded also-rans.
When was the last Childress championship? Hendricks has the last six. Childress can forget about getting any more as long as Hendricks and France are in bed together.
Talk about somebody with their head up.... uh in the sand.
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:02 AM
 
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^^So it has nothing to do with having the better, more prepared team with superior equipment and personel?

I'm going with the conspiracy rock thing.
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:20 PM
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^^So it has nothing to do with having the better, more prepared team with superior equipment and personel?

I'm going with the conspiracy rock thing.
Has everything to do about being a cheater and getting away with it.
Rick Hendrick Gets Away with Violations--Must Be Nice to Have a FRIEND Hearing Your Appeal!


Just when you thought NASCAR was getting a little credibility back, here comes Rick Hendrick once again. You remember Hendrick, the car-dealer/convicted felon who got his "Presidential Pardon" after a half-a-million dollar donation to the Clinton Library was made, after being indicted on 17 counts (he pled guilty to 1 count) of bribery in a $250 MILLION dollar case prosecuted by the federal government...who skirted prison by a very rare cancer diagnosis (which has been in remission for several years now), and who, most recently, refused to accept NASCAR's penalties assessed on his beloved #48 team after it was found to have an illegal C post on a car brought to Daytona in February.

The same car which was run 4 times last year.

The same car that Jimmie Johnson was told by his crew chief, Chad Knaus, that if he won at Talladega, he had better wreck the back end of the car (so as to keep post-race inspection from finding illegalities).

Hendrick appealed the penalties assessed (suspensions for crew chief and team manager and points deducted for car owner and driver, and fines) and his appeal was denied. So, of course Hendrick proceeded to appeal the case again. Only this time, the guy hearing the case just HAPPENS to be a very long time Chevrolet executive who is also an old friend (crony?) of Hendrick's.

It was announced today that the "Chief Appellate" for NASCAR, John Middlebrook, removed all penalties except the $100,000 fine assessed to Hendrick Racing. In case you don't know, that's chump change to these racing multimillionaires. Hendrick blows that much money on a single Corvette at Barrett-Jackson auctions (where he's been seen to purchase 10-20 Corvettes at a time for his collection or for 'gifts'). Oh, and by the way, guess who was one of the speakers at Middlebrook's retirement shindig from GM? You got it -- Rick Hendrick.

You would have thought for the appearance of impartiality and fairness that Middlebrook would recuse himself from the case. After all, it has been widely reported in the media that Hendrick and he have a long-standing relationship and friendship. Instead, all of the severe penalties that really mean anything against Hendrick's team were dropped. The biggest win for Hendrick was the removal of the 6-race suspension initially given to Crew Chief Chad Knause. Knause has been convicted of cheating at least 7 times that we know of.

So much for having rules and enforcement. When you have a few hundred million dollars invested in a sport though, it looks like that this takes precedence over right and wrong. When Clint Bowyer's car was found to be illegal at New Hampshire 2 years ago in post-race inspection by a miniscule, unmeasurable fraction of an inch, poor Clint was docked 100 points and effectively removed from the Chase for the Cup. A Chase that Hendrick's #48 team went on to "win." Guess it's all about "who" you are in the sport.

Hendrick has a stellar history of bribery and cheating. A public, convicted history. Wouldn't you think NASCAR would have just a wee bit of concern at how this all appears to the ticket-buying, race watching public? It looks more and more like young Brian France and his family are no longer running the sport, especially with the iron fist that his father, Bill France, used.

This type of travesty is not going to put any more folks in the stands at the races, you can count on that. Just like you could virtually count the empty seats at the Cup race this past weekend at Bristol. And I never thought I'd see the stands at that race so empty! NASCAR might love having a multimillionaire like Hendrick run the show--but the fans, well, not so much.
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:11 AM
 
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Holy Crap

Calm down before you bust out a blood vessel in your head or something. Must be hell to be so bitter about things that are really so insignificant.

You do remember the title of this thread, don't you? Kenseth leaving Roush?

Interesting rumor - The Pit Pass® Nascar News and Photos: Andretti to Dodge in 2013 with Kenseth & Petty
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Old 06-29-2012, 08:37 PM
 
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Bascailly I can think that Kennseth couldn't be pickup by a top team with his record of imporvemnt. he tho is the only famialr name without a contract at this time.As to stands'all racing is sufferig in this economy. F1 has had the same problem with not selling all seats.But then televisio is as far as reacing domiated i US by NASCAR racing and programs about it.hat is where the real money is.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:13 PM
 
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Has everything to do about being a cheater and getting away with it.
Rick Hendrick Gets Away with Violations--Must Be Nice to Have a FRIEND Hearing Your Appeal!

You sound like my wife! LOL! I guess the next thing you will say is #14 got some of Hendrick's "special" cars for his championship run last year. Even if Hendrick does bribe NASCAR he would still need to field top notch equipment to be in competition for championships.
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Holy Crap

Calm down before you bust out a blood vessel in your head or something. Must be hell to be so bitter about things that are really so insignificant.

You do remember the title of this thread, don't you? Kenseth leaving Roush?

Interesting rumor - The Pit Pass® Nascar News and Photos: Andretti to Dodge in 2013 with Kenseth & Petty
LOL!
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:48 AM
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I guess I'm the only poster here that is not willing to give a cheater and a business bully a pass.
Good for you guys who do.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:58 AM
 
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I guess I'm the only poster here that is not willing to give a cheater and a business bully a pass.
Good for you guys who do.
And how's that working out for you? Is NASCAR going to scrutinize HMS more closely because you nearly blew a gasket a few posts ago?
When the day comes for you to go toward the light will you be moved to the front of the line because of your rant? Get a high five from God?
What HMS does on the track or with NASCAR has no consequential bearing on my life whatsoever. Should NASCAR go broke as a result my life will go on. My favorite driver wins a race or championship I still have to go to work on Monday. My favorite driver loses a race or championship I still have to go to work on Monday.
Since you can't really provide any concrete evidence that the accusations are valid I would suggest you stop watching the sport, it seems to cause you much undue stress.
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Old 07-01-2012, 05:59 AM
 
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So here I sit--do I get involved in this discussion or not? Hmmm, do I take a chance at being jumped on for having an opinion? Well since this fourn us about opinions and not necessairly facts although there are a lot of facts posted here I'm going to take a chance. Sorry, but in my opinion and from what I personally know from some pretty good sources close and involved in the sport I'm going to have to agree with PDD on many of his statements. It's almost---you notice I say "almost" a joke in our house about Heindrick's past and how he has managed to maneuver not only NASCAR but the legal system... I don't much care for liars or cheaters. He should be a politician! But this is just my opinion!
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Old 07-01-2012, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Lake Norman, NC
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So here I sit--do I get involved in this discussion or not? Hmmm, do I take a chance at being jumped on for having an opinion? Well since this fourn us about opinions and not necessairly facts although there are a lot of facts posted here I'm going to take a chance. Sorry, but in my opinion and from what I personally know from some pretty good sources close and involved in the sport I'm going to have to agree with PDD on many of his statements. It's almost---you notice I say "almost" a joke in our house about Heindrick's past and how he has managed to maneuver not only NASCAR but the legal system... I don't much care for liars or cheaters. He should be a politician! But this is just my opinion!
I laughed when I read this (in a good way, Cyn!) because I had written a lengthy post last evening after the race ended, but chose to delete it.

Either way, it was good to see Flatline get a 7th after all of the so-called "experts" in the media predicted the team would simply fall apart after the announcement last week.
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