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Old 05-19-2021, 01:38 PM
 
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It's going to be a survival road course. Many favorites will be out early due to getting tangled up with less skilled drivers. But I hope your correct about #9!

Well, look at Daytona. .The Busch Clash.. Favorites wind up taking themselves out, too.


It is amazing.. Just about everyone who has a shot winning on an oval has the shot to win on a Road Course.


Remember back in the day.. You had much fewer people who were a threat to win on a road course.. Of course.. I believe Boris Said and Ron Fellows have made quite a lot of money running courses on how to run them.
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Old 05-19-2021, 01:41 PM
 
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Well, look at Daytona. .The Busch Clash.. Favorites wind up taking themselves out, too.


It is amazing.. Just about everyone who has a shot winning on an oval has the shot to win on a Road Course.


Remember back in the day.. You had much fewer people who were a threat to win on a road course.. Of course.. I believe Boris Said and Ron Fellows have made quite a lot of money running courses on how to run them.
Yeah, funny how they used to bring in the road course ringers , but I dont ever remember them winning much.
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Old 05-19-2021, 01:45 PM
 
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Yeah, funny how they used to bring in the road course ringers , but I dont ever remember them winning much.

They never did in Cup. Said and Fellows came close a few times.. and Fellows at least won an Xfinity race.


Now.. "Ringer" can have a loose definition. I'd consider Mark Donohue a ringer.. And he won at Riverside.
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Old 05-23-2021, 05:39 PM
 
Location: South of Cakalaki
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An absolute travesty today. No way trailing cars could see. That there weren’t more rear end collisions is amazing. When a guy like Harvick says it’s the most dangerous thing he’s done in NASCAR, someone should pay attention.
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Old 05-23-2021, 08:52 PM
 
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An absolute travesty today. No way trailing cars could see. That there weren’t more rear end collisions is amazing. When a guy like Harvick says it’s the most dangerous thing he’s done in NASCAR, someone should pay attention.

They did the right thing.. Eventually. But I agree, should have been quicker about it.



The bigger travesty in my eyes was calling the race. No problem with the red flag, but they could and should have restarted and finished. Have a feeling there's going to be a bad taste left in some mouths over that.
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Old 05-24-2021, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Rochester NY
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I do a pretty good job about not complaining but the way yesterdays race was handled was absolutely horrible. To not delay the race when you had cars slamming into the back of each other due to lack of visibility is beyond me. And to call the race with rain tires and that much was daylight left was a horrible call. But I guess since it was the golden boy they didn't care. Couldn't risk him not making the playoffs. What a joke.
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Old 05-24-2021, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Upstate
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I had a hard time watching the race. Too nice outside, so I listened on PRN while fishing with my son!

Overall, COTA has potential, hope it's not marred by the weather. Many fans have always complained that NASCAR won't drive in the rain. Now we see why, it sucks! It sucks for the drivers and sucks for the fans. Drivers can't see and fans can't see the racing. I think the rain experiment is over.

Although biased because Chase is my driver, NASCAR was right to call it. Probably should have done it earlier, but no matter what NASCAR would have done, someone would be unhappy.
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Old 05-24-2021, 10:11 AM
 
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I do a pretty good job about not complaining but the way yesterdays race was handled was absolutely horrible. To not delay the race when you had cars slamming into the back of each other due to lack of visibility is beyond me. And to call the race with rain tires and that much was daylight left was a horrible call. But I guess since it was the golden boy they didn't care. Couldn't risk him not making the playoffs. What a joke.
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I had a hard time watching the race. Too nice outside, so I listened on PRN while fishing with my son!

Overall, COTA has potential, hope it's not marred by the weather. Many fans have always complained that NASCAR won't drive in the rain. Now we see why, it sucks! It sucks for the drivers and sucks for the fans. Drivers can't see and fans can't see the racing. I think the rain experiment is over.

Although biased because Chase is my driver, NASCAR was right to call it. Probably should have done it earlier, but no matter what NASCAR would have done, someone would be unhappy.

Well.. I think what both of you are at least partially missing.. Those are "Wet Weather" tires.. Not rain tires.

NASCAR still can't really race in RAIN. As evidenced yesterday. But.. Perhaps we could see some improvements. I mean, something along the lines of mud flaps could be a pretty simple method of cutting down the visibility problems.
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Old 05-24-2021, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Amelia Island/Rhode Island
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Road courses are about the only races I watch anymore and I was looking forward to yesterdays race but after watching a bit before the big accident I was thinking about the mud bowl and was wondering why NASCAR was letting the race go on with the visibility as it was. I really liked the course layout though.

On another note, is it me or is the camera coverage of the road courses pretty lame lately? They really seemed to have the cameras dialed in at Watkins Glenn in the past and Daytona, the Roval and yesterdays don't seem to have the race captured that well.
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Old 05-24-2021, 04:26 PM
 
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Road courses are about the only races I watch anymore and I was looking forward to yesterdays race but after watching a bit before the big accident I was thinking about the mud bowl and was wondering why NASCAR was letting the race go on with the visibility as it was. I really liked the course layout though.

On another note, is it me or is the camera coverage of the road courses pretty lame lately? They really seemed to have the cameras dialed in at Watkins Glenn in the past and Daytona, the Roval and yesterdays don't seem to have the race captured that well.

It is amazing how things have changed on them. I kinda got interested in them around the late 90's.. Before that.. I pretty much hated them. But as time has gone on.. The racing has gotten better and better on them. More drivers know how to race on them, vs the "Will Rusty or Mark Martin win" of the early 90's.

Gordon was good on them, then Stewart.. Now, Chase is obviously the best of the batch, but there's at least 15 drivers with a legit shot at winning.


This got me curious.. Who was the worst Road Course racer of all time? I'd have to give my vote to.. Hershel McGriff


Of his 86 career starts, 41 were on road courses.



He DNFed 26 of them.
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