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Old 05-09-2011, 11:25 AM
 
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of the 2011 model year.

GM Recalls 136,500 Chevrolet Cruzes, GMC Savanas and Chevy Expresses
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:31 AM
 
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The Savannah and Express recall is small potatoes, with only a tick over 7,000 units effected. However, the Cruze recalls are at this point effecting nearly every unit produced. The sad part is, the defects are nothing to do with the car's engineering, all the issues are tied to production issues at the Lordstown, OH plant. They really need to get these issues worked out or the most promising small car from GM in decades is going to end up DOA with all these recalls.

I really like the Cruze after driving several and would have considered buying one, but at this point, I wouldn't touch one for another year or two to see if they get these issues ironed out. If it was me, there would be some heads rolling at the Lordstown plant.
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Old 05-09-2011, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Poway, CA
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The sad part is, the defects are nothing to do with the car's engineering, all the issues are tied to production issues at the Lordstown, OH plant. ......... If it was me, there would be some heads rolling at the Lordstown plant.
Well, it's always an engineering issue, just which engineering department. Does it fall on the designer engineers for having a design that could allow incorrect installation, or the manufacturing/industrial engineers for designing a process that allows it to happen, or the quality engineers for not having a system to catch it? Dunno. But, unless it's some malicious assembly worker, it always falls back on engineering.

Mike
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Old 05-09-2011, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Cortland, Ohio
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I thought the latest recall for the Cruze had to do w/the transmission............I'm pretty sure they manufacture that overseas.
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Old 05-09-2011, 01:14 PM
 
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I thought the latest recall for the Cruze had to do w/the transmission............I'm pretty sure they manufacture that overseas.
It's the shift linkage that is the issue and that is something that is installed during assembly. Basically, the linkage may be loose or improperly installed and the display may register the vehicle as being in park, when it is actually in reverse.
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Old 05-09-2011, 01:16 PM
 
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Well, it's always an engineering issue, just which engineering department. Does it fall on the designer engineers for having a design that could allow incorrect installation, or the manufacturing/industrial engineers for designing a process that allows it to happen, or the quality engineers for not having a system to catch it? Dunno. But, unless it's some malicious assembly worker, it always falls back on engineering.

Mike
Very true, but I think there is a difference between something that is an inherent flaw in the design or engineering of the car and something that is a flaw in the manufacturing process. Both of the issues with the Cruze are related to assembly, not the actual car.

It really doesn't matter either way, a flaw is a flaw and it needs to be addressed. I'm happy that GM seems to be proactive on this, but two major assembly issues related to a major new offering at a plant that they invested billions in, is a major black eye.
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Old 05-09-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Very true, but I think there is a difference between something that is an inherent flaw in the design or engineering of the car and something that is a flaw in the manufacturing process. Both of the issues with the Cruze are related to assembly, not the actual car.

It really doesn't matter either way, a flaw is a flaw and it needs to be addressed. I'm happy that GM seems to be proactive on this, but two major assembly issues related to a major new offering at a plant that they invested billions in, is a major black eye.
Some disgruntled UAW members perhaps?
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Old 05-09-2011, 02:17 PM
 
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Some disgruntled UAW members perhaps?
Not sure what they are disgruntled about. Lordstown was on the verge of closure until GM decided to bring Cruze production there and made a huge investment in the plant. They even brought back a bunch of laid-off or about to be laid-off people from all over the country to work at Lordstown. The plant was being heralded as a success story for the GM bailout and for putting thousands of UAW folks back to work.
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Old 05-09-2011, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Cortland, Ohio
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^Yeah, and they all just go bonuses.
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Old 05-09-2011, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Cortland, Ohio
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Sounds like a quality process problem to me. Even if it is being assembled wrong quality should have processes in place to catch it.
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