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Old 11-25-2012, 04:31 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Ford takes a big dive.

Consumer Reports' auto reliability report: Toyota tops, Ford dives - latimes.com
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:00 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:22 AM
 
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The top seven are Japanese, and all American cars are below average, except for Cadillac. Ouch.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You're throwing this out there like it means something. Coming from the rice wine drunk "engineers", and I use the term engineers as it always gets a laugh, they wouldn't have a clue about a wind up toy. Anything as complex as todays autos, they haven't even got a chance at guessing it right. Toyota makes no better or no worse cars than the others........and their still in 3 rd place for overall sales in the US. As far as their relationship with Ford, besides not having one, they're looking for another Explorer event to hammer the US auto maker to make CR look good. In reality, there was no issue with the Explorer and the then current model Tundra was more prone to a rollover than the Explorer.....but you didn't hear CR make that statement. CR has ZERO credibility. They're in the same boat with any Petersen rags or Motor Trend- nothing there worth reading.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:17 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I don't subscribe to CR but I certainly enjoy MotorTrend and C&D!

In other news, looks like Ford is getting hit with mileage innacuracy claims as well: http://green.autoblog.com/2012/12/26...hybrid-mileag/
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:37 AM
 
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You're throwing this out there like it means something. Coming from the rice wine drunk "engineers", and I use the term engineers as it always gets a laugh, they wouldn't have a clue about a wind up toy. Anything as complex as todays autos, they haven't even got a chance at guessing it right. Toyota makes no better or no worse cars than the others........and their still in 3 rd place for overall sales in the US. As far as their relationship with Ford, besides not having one, they're looking for another Explorer event to hammer the US auto maker to make CR look good. In reality, there was no issue with the Explorer and the then current model Tundra was more prone to a rollover than the Explorer.....but you didn't hear CR make that statement. CR has ZERO credibility. They're in the same boat with any Petersen rags or Motor Trend- nothing there worth reading.
I've been reading Consumer Reports reliability ratings and reports for over 30 years. Based on my experience, they've seldom missed the mark in their reliability reporting. A friend who is both a Ford and Toyota dealer privately confirmed to me Ford's deep slide in reliability in the last couple of years--he's pretty upset about it. He sells about an equal number of Toyotas and Fords. Go to his dealership on any day and see what make is filling all of his shop bays--it's not Toyota.

It should stick in every Americans craw that foreign car makers, Toyota being one, consistently are beating the American manufacturers in overall reliability, but it's a fact of life. By the way, I've owned vehicles from all of the American manufacturers over the years, along with Toyota. The most reliable? You guessed it--the Toyota.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:39 AM
 
Location: La Mesa Aka The Table
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I've been reading Consumer Reports reliability ratings and reports for over 30 years. Based on my experience, they've seldom missed the mark in their reliability reporting. A friend who is both a Ford and Toyota dealer privately confirmed to me Ford's deep slide in reliability in the last couple of years--he's pretty upset about it. He sells about an equal number of Toyotas and Fords. Go to his dealership on any day and see what make is filling all of his shop bays--it's not Toyota.

It should stick in every Americans craw that foreign car makers, Toyota being one, consistently are beating the American manufacturers in overall reliability, but it's a fact of life. By the way, I've owned vehicles from all of the American manufacturers over the years, along with Toyota. The most reliable? You guessed it--the Toyota.
Couldn't agree with you more.
Facts are Facts and they can't be argued.
Toyota (even with their recent declines) still makes a better car Than Ford or Chevy.
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Old 12-28-2012, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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You're throwing this out there like it means something. Coming from the rice wine drunk "engineers", and I use the term engineers as it always gets a laugh, they wouldn't have a clue about a wind up toy. Anything as complex as todays autos, they haven't even got a chance at guessing it right. Toyota makes no better or no worse cars than the others........and their still in 3 rd place for overall sales in the US. As far as their relationship with Ford, besides not having one, they're looking for another Explorer event to hammer the US auto maker to make CR look good. In reality, there was no issue with the Explorer and the then current model Tundra was more prone to a rollover than the Explorer.....but you didn't hear CR make that statement. CR has ZERO credibility. They're in the same boat with any Petersen rags or Motor Trend- nothing there worth reading.

You sound like a disgruntled Ford fanboy.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:42 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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The worst Toyota, or any other Japanese make is better than the best Detroit 3 vehicle. I blame the UAW, corporate greed and corruption, and just plain apathy on the Detroit worker's part.

I drove Detroit crap for decades. They were nice looking, but none could be called reliable by Toyota standards! I thought it was normal for cars to have problems all the time. When I finally experienced a truly good car, I knew I would never settle for Detroit junk again.

I know no one who once owned Detroit cars, and made the switch to Japanese cars that would ever buy another Detroit car.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Columbus, Ohio
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You sound like a disgruntled Ford fanboy.

He demerits any article that states Japanese cars are better then American cars. I am sure if it was possible to find the opposite, he would be praising those articles.
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