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Okay, I love Car and Driver but they seem to be overly "optimistic" in their longterm tests about every damn car.
Case in point, in the Nov issue, they have a 2011 Grand Cherokee that needed the entire transmission replaced at 33kmi (with 5 unscheduled service) and yet they finished off the article with "If the GC is a sign of things to come, the future looks bright for Jeep." Really?
In the Feb issue, they have a "barely broken in" Volvo S60 that required replacement of five electronic modules and most of the wiring harness. In fact, to troubleshoot this issue they spent a month consulting with "engineers in Sweden". They ended with "we can only hope that every Volvo customer receives similar treatment if the need arises." Really?
Okay, I love Car and Driver but they seem to be overly "optimistic" in their longterm tests about every damn car.
Case in point, in the Nov issue, they have a 2011 Grand Cherokee that needed the entire transmission replaced at 33kmi (with 5 unscheduled service) and yet they finished off the article with "If the GC is a sign of things to come, the future looks bright for Jeep." Really?
In the Feb issue, they have a "barely broken in" Volvo S60 that required replacement of five electronic modules and most of the wiring harness. In fact, to troubleshoot this issue they spent a month consulting with "engineers in Sweden". They ended with "we can only hope that every Volvo customer receives similar treatment if the need arises." Really?
I think you might be missing the point here they very fact that the makers fixed whatever problems, they had without giving them a hard times speaks volumes.
I am with the OP on this. I was looking to see what is available out there as far as Mazda CX-9 on the long run. They tested one for 40K miles and had issues with trim coming off, creaks, paint on the interior coming off, the car's performance had dropped significantly and was getting poor gas mileage (not sure if they floored it or not) and they came out being impressed.
For me, any repairs needed in the 1st 60-80K miles is a big red flag.
They get taken care of because they are "Car and Driver", when regular guys like me return to the dealership, most of the time we just get "we could not reproduce the problem", so I want a car that has been tested and true. I mostly use internet forums to figure common problem areas with certain models because when I buy a car, I want it to last 150-200 K miles.
I thinlk you might be missing the point here they very fact that the makers fixed whatever problems, they had without giving them a hard times speaks volumes.
Well, your bar must be set pretty low then.
I don't expect a good car to have any serious problems especially while under the warranty period. If it did, I wouldn't be as optimistic about the car's future as CnD are. In addition, I don't think any regular Joe will have access to engineers from Sweden to help diagnose problems.
Well, your bar must be set pretty low then.
I don't expect a good car to have any serious problems especially while under the warranty period. If it did, I wouldn't be as optimistic about the car's future as CnD are. In addition, I don't think any regular Joe will have access to engineers from Sweden to help diagnose problems.
Low? No, but they did stand by thier product & fix the cars all cars have some problem at one time or another You have to give them credit for that. I would rather them break down while they are UNDER the warranty then not & who is to say that they won't have anymore problems after that?
Low? No, but they did stand by thier product & fix the cars all cars have some problem at one time or another You have to give them credit for that. I would rather them break down while they are UNDER the warranty then not & who is to say that they won't have anymore problems after that?
So you don't think all manufacturers will fix these problems under warranty? You don't think CnD gets preferential treatment?
how naive one has to be, to take for profit magazines word on anything?
the only true source of information on ANY vehicle are dedicated forums. reading through several months worth of posts, one can obtain a very fair look at vehicle performance and reliability. Reading, not asking "hey, is that a good car", as half responses will be canceled dealers and the other half will be those who bought it, and now don't have gut to admit that they bought a dud or a lemon.
So you don't think all manufacturers will fix these problems under warranty? You don't think CnD gets preferential treatment?
It's possible but I would hope that would treat all the people who have the problems the same. Not ALL dealers are going to stand behind the cars they sell. Some are going to try & mess you over some are not. You play the odds when you buy a new or used car. My dad bought a new Dodge in 88 & the engine fell out 50 miles after he bought the car, they told him that it was his fault & messed him over.
You can't blame a car maker for what the dealerships do.
C&D can be entertaining and informative but don't take it for anything more than a slanted opinion.
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