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Old 01-17-2013, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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We can't have nice wagons here because we have SUVs instead. Heck, GM still thinks Americans won't buy hatchbacks (and yet after saying that they sell the Sonic Hatch).

Basically crossovers have replaced the traditional station wagon in the US, and have squeezed hatchbacks into a niche. It might not be all negative though, because the height of crossovers means you don't need as long or as wide a vehicle to store the same cubic footage. So what used to require a Buick Roadmaster now fits into a Mazda CX-5.
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Why can't we have nice wagons in the US?
Because people don't buy them.
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:55 PM
 
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Because people don't buy them.
I believe they would if they were worth buying.

I have had people offer to buy mine, Volvo imported a limited number of V50's and they were scooped up quick by those who wanted something a bit different. Suburu manages to sell a healthy number of wagons, Volvo sells a bushel basket of V70's, the Matrix/Vibe sold fairly well, and another poster mentioned the Magnum. I test drove acouple Magnums and found they had the same problem the Charger/300 had, the numb steering, like steering the car through molasses.

And hatchback/liftbacks-before the daze of SUV's there were herds of liftbacks. I used to drive Escorts, I went through 3 of them over the course of a couple decades, and loved the cargo carrying ability and versatility. On a recent trip to the UK, we rented a Mondeo, which is basically the same as a Fusion but with a diesel engine, 6 speed stick and a liftback. I would love to see that car here. It's almost as good as a wagon.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I believe they would if they were worth buying . . .
If that were the case, they'd still be on the market here. Manufacturers didn't stop making/exporting them here just to aggravate consumers. Subaru doesn't sell wagons here any more except for the ones dolled up to look like pseudo-SUVs. The Impreza wagon morphed into a hatchback. And yes, another poster mentioned the Magnum... and notice it's not in production any more.
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:21 PM
 
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even Euro manufacturers like Audi (with their A4 Avant) and Volvo (with their V70) have pulled out of the wagon market here in the US. Everyone and their mistress(es) wants a SUV/CUV/crossover. Even guys my age in their 30's who grew up with hot hatches seem to have this mistaken impression that a mid-size wagon can't possibly hold everything a normal family would take with them on an outing. Also there's still this stigma that wagons are for old, boring ppl, while raised crossovers are more "manly" or "youthful". I tried talking my friend into a Passat wagon and she resisted, saying it's un-professional & homely & more suited for the Walmart crowd. She got a Tiguan instead. *SMH*
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Old 01-17-2013, 09:47 PM
 
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As always, drive what makes you happy, but these wagons can be a lot of fun and practical too. And shall we say even sexy?
I'd be willing to bet any American around my age or older pictures this when you talk of wagons. Decidedly unsexy.


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Old 01-18-2013, 04:53 AM
 
Location: NH
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Americans dont buy wagons because the auto market has made crossovers....I dont understand because if I wanted an SUV ... I want an SUV with 4 wheel drive that rides like a truck and can go anywhere. If I want the ride of a car with many of the same qualities of an SUV without the need for any type of offroad capabilities I would look at a wagon. The crossover has killed the market for both the SUV and the wagon. I say we kill the crossover and get back to the basics.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:08 AM
 
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Mazda6 sedan has been redesigned. I think it's a 2014. The sedan is coming to the USA very soon.

However, there is an awesome Mazda6 wagon in Europe. I would buy it if it came to the USA.

Here is a link to some photos:

https://www.google.com/search?q=2014...w=1080&bih=474
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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If that were the case, they'd still be on the market here. Manufacturers didn't stop making/exporting them here just to aggravate consumers. Subaru doesn't sell wagons here any more except for the ones dolled up to look like pseudo-SUVs. The Impreza wagon morphed into a hatchback. And yes, another poster mentioned the Magnum... and notice it's not in production any more.
This. Wagons are loved by a segment of the population that won't buy new. This is borne out buy the fact that when wagons were available, they sold in small numbers, no matter who made them, no matter what price point. The only wagons that sell well are used ones and manufacturers can't live on the selling of used cars.

Wagons started going out of favor before SUVs became popular, and were nearly totally gone before crossovers came about. Crossovers were a way that the manufacturers got people back INTO wagon-like vehicles instead of the traditional BOF SUVs when people would not buy traditional wagons.

The buying public has spoken, for the most part, they don't want new wagons. The niche isn't large enough to support more than a couple of small volume manufacturers.
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh area
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Mazda6 sedan has been redesigned. I think it's a 2014. The sedan is coming to the USA very soon.

However, there is an awesome Mazda6 wagon in Europe. I would buy it if it came to the USA.

Here is a link to some photos:

https://www.google.com/search?q=2014...w=1080&bih=474
Not bad. You know that Mazda in the US did sell the wagon as well as the 5-door hatch versions of the previous gen smaller 6 that ran until 2008? I always wanted to get the 5-door hatch version; not so keen on that wagon although I did see a few over the years. But at revision for 2009 they only brought the 4-door. Why? Because the others didn't sell much, so why certify them for the US? That is what is most likely. There is at least a wagon version of the 2009-2013 6, not sure if there is a 5-door hatch.
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