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Old 08-17-2013, 10:42 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Vehicles of this level of originality/restoration transcend this kind of logic. Museum quality should not be drove around and abused, it should be preserved as a piece of history.
I agree and some cars should be in a museum, but Mustangs need to break lose and be driven. Here's a pic of my 1973 Mustang Mach I Tribute. She's never be concourse as the cash isn't around and Mustang Sally wants me to drive her whenever I can.
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Old 08-17-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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Automotive restoration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There are different levels of automotive repair. The highest quality level, generally unobtainable for the amateur restorer, is the Concours d'Elegance level; these are cars that are frequently restomoded to a degree often beyond the quality that they were when they left the factory. There are virtually no deficiencies in the quality of the parts that were actually restored. Those parts that did not come on the car as it was first sold must have the highest level of fit and finish, and appear to have been original parts. Many Concours d'Elegance cars are not driven except for the short distances from their trailers to the show field.
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Old 08-17-2013, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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Too me a Concours quality car looks like this:
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Old 08-17-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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Too me a Concours quality car looks like this:
No offense but it is impossible to make that determination by looking at a photograph. I think your misunderstanding is that you think such a classification is restricted to certain genres of automobile. That is incorrect.
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Old 08-17-2013, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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No offense but it is impossible to make that determination by looking at a photograph. I think your misunderstanding is that you think such a classification is restricted to certain genres of automobile. That is incorrect.
My point is that more Classic owners are people that will drive them. Concours-grade cars are finished with only OEM, or better including paint. No reproduction parts are allowed. There is a classic class at the Concours D'Elegance, but very few cars of any year meet the standard.

The real point is that Concours is a mis-used term that people claim like NOS (new old stock). Here's an example:
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/...o/1587010.html
They claim Concours, but go on to admit the tires are reproductions.

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Old 08-17-2013, 12:45 PM
 
Location: La Jolla, CA
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I keep seeing "concourse" restorations listed all over the place. I must have been in the bathroom when someone officially changed "concours" to "concourse".

Both are spelled correctly--but are different words with different meanings.
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Old 08-17-2013, 01:18 PM
 
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The paint must be Lacquer for a 60's resto
wrong. the paint must be the correct type used by the manufacturer. that means a GM car must have a lacquer finish, but a ford brand must have an enamel finish as that is the paint type used by ford starting in the 30s. as a quick note about that, henry ford hated GM and was incensed that he had to use lacquer based paints on his cars due to GM owning the company that made the paints used in automotive applications, so he went on a quest to develop enamel based paints to spray on fords. ford used enamels until well into the 80s, when they changed paint types, only to go back to the newer enamels in the late 90s.
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Old 08-17-2013, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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I keep seeing "concourse" restorations listed all over the place. I must have been in the bathroom when someone officially changed "concours" to "concourse".

Both are spelled correctly--but are different words with different meanings.
Concours is not a known word in the English language. You may want to go back to the bathroom, and find out what is missing. It must be important for you.
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Old 08-17-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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To me, "concours" means above the average when it comes to vehicles.
It also has a ring of "snobbishness" in that many who own a concours vehicle tend to feel they are on a higher level than we lower class slobs.
My way of thinking is, concours is a museum piece, and that equates to a piece of art.
Classic vehicles like any other vehicles, are meant to be driven.
If you want art, go to a museum.
I have a 66Tbird that is a five year old restoration.
Though it is not a concours vehicle, it is every bit a museum piece to me.
I enjoy it for it artistic and classic style, and use it as it was intended.
It is driven most every day, but never on rainy days.
I need no trophies, or high end judging from some snobbish group of wannabees.
What I DO get satisfaction in, is knowing I have a real beautiful car, and I hear that comment each and every time I take it for a spin.
This concours stuff, in my opinion is way overblown.


Bob.
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Old 08-17-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Concours is not a known word in the English language. You may want to go back to the bathroom, and find out what is missing. It must be important for you.
The English definition of 'concourse':

1.A large open area inside or in front of a public building, as in an airport or train station: "the domestic arrivals concourse".
2.A crowd or assembly of people.

would apply to the quality of a restoration how? I couldn't find that missing definition in the bathroom.
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