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Old 08-28-2013, 07:24 AM
 
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GM is adding 2.5- or 2.8-liter four-cylinder Duramax turbodiesel engines to its new Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon models, according to sources who spoke to Automotive News. The diesel engine won’t be available in the U.S. until approximately a year after the launch of the redesigned Colorado and Canyon are introduced, in fall 2014.

Nissan said last week that it will put a V-8 Cummins diesel engine in its 2015 Titan pickup. Chrysler’s option will be available by the end of this year, with the new Ram 1500 carrying a VM Motori V-6 engine.
Can Diesel Engines Revitalize the Small Pickup? | Wall St. Cheat Sheet

This is great news, after Chrysler and Nissan, now GM will offer a diesel engine in the midsize pickups.
It makes sense, why else would someone (who does not need full bed) buy a midsize pickup if underpowered & fuel consumption is not that much batter than full size...
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Old 08-28-2013, 07:25 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX USA
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Great news, now hopefully this will convince Ford the bring the global ranger and it's diesel motor to the US market
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:46 AM
 
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Any indication on how much more it will cost? I am considering the new Colorado when it comes out but also looking at an all new Tacoma if and when it ever comes out.
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Diesels generally cost between 2 to 3 thousand dollars more than it's gas equivalent plus with diesel selling for 40 to 50 cents more per gallon than regular, you may never make up for the extra costs associated with a diesel.
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:35 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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My last diesel pickup cost me $300 and gets 50 mpg on free cooking oil. I reserve ~ $20/ yr for fresh filters and $30 every 100k for timing belt and water pump.

My Cummins Dodges (I have 3) only get 18-22 mpg so I only use them for medium loads. (They cost me between $2000 and $5000 for 4x4 1T duallies). ~ $100/ yr in maint.

Have a Mack and Kenworth for the heavier stuff, they get 8-12 mpg. ~ $300/yr in Maint (plus TIRES!!!@ $300 each)

I was weaned on the smokestack of a diesel tractor ~ 60 yrs ago, and haven't noticed an appreciable cost difference for maintaining or purchasing MANY gas and diesel vehicles. (hint... I don't buy NEW, just as I wouldn't buy a NEW motorhome, airplane, boat... or any other highly depreciable item).

I do notice a HUGE difference in cost of keeping a GAS pickup rolling down the road. It really depends on your level of use and miles / yr. I frequently tow 20,000# and not interested in buying the GAS to feed a pickup that had tug that weight.

as always YMMV.

I wish Nissan and Toyota would bring their 'utility grade' diesels back to USA. A 're-birthed' Chevy does not sound like a workhorse. Might as well drive a car and tow a utility trailer when you need cargo capacity. (I do that a lot behind my 52 mpg Passats... 4,000 miles in last 2 weeks)
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:25 PM
 
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Diesels generally cost between 2 to 3 thousand dollars more than it's gas equivalent plus with diesel selling for 40 to 50 cents more per gallon than regular, you may never make up for the extra costs associated with a diesel.
Extra costs amortization depends on total mileage per year since diesel will be more efficient (say 40% better MPG for same car body).
Normally the extra one pays when buying diesel is about 10% (say 15% in some states). There is still at least 25% fuel cost to be saved when running diesel instead of gas.
So if one uses $4,000 in gas costs, with a diesel engine would save about 25% (for same vehicle) = $1,000 savings/year.

However, the savings are a lot better for trucks since an 8 cylinder 3/4 ton can be replaced in many cases by a smaller 6 cylinder diesel for about same torque in a smaller/lighter truck.
In this case, a lighter truck from 16MPG going to 24MPG (50% better MPG), which once you remove say 15% in extra diesel cost, there is still 35% savings.
The same $4,000 per year in gas consumption will go down to $2,600 = $1,400 in savings per year.

However besides better MPG there are other factors:
- lots more torque (for same body vehicle)
- longer running life engine

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Old 08-28-2013, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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Diesels generally cost between 2 to 3 thousand dollars more than it's gas equivalent plus with diesel selling for 40 to 50 cents more per gallon than regular, you may never make up for the extra costs associated with a diesel.
Sure you will. The problem is most people won't keep the vehicle long enough. Most diesels are designed as 500k work life. The average consumer trades in a car way before 100k
On the full size trucks the diesel is a 8,000 dollar option compared to the equivalent vehicle with gas engine.
Since its a 1/2 ton you'll probably see a 4k bump. And then dealer mark up of 10k to the first idiot who just has to have one.
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Old 08-28-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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Diesels generally cost between 2 to 3 thousand dollars more than it's gas equivalent plus with diesel selling for 40 to 50 cents more per gallon than regular, you may never make up for the extra costs associated with a diesel.
Sure you will. The problem is most people won't keep the vehicle long enough. Most diesels are designed as 500k work life. The average consumer trades in a car way before 100k
On the full size trucks the diesel is a 8,000 dollar option compared to the equivalent vehicle with gas engine.
Since its a 1/2 ton you'll probably see a 4k bump from the same truck with gas engine. And then dealer mark up of 10k to the first idiot who just has to have one.
Lol remember when the VW bug came out? My neighbor paid 10k more to be one if the first to get one.
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Old 08-28-2013, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Anyone hear any Feedback from the Diesel Chevy Cruze yet?

I still wonder about a GM Diesel but I Remember the Oldsmobile 350ci V-8 Diesel fiasco of the 80s
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:45 AM
 
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However, the savings are a lot better for trucks since an 8 cylinder 3/4 ton can be replaced in many cases by a smaller 6 cylinder diesel for about same torque in a smaller/lighter truck.

A 3/4 ton pickup has a stronger frame and bigger brakes than a smaller/lighter truck. A diesel engine cannot replace that.
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