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Old 12-27-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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MotorWeek - GM G-Body's 1986,87 with Sound !! - YouTube

Wow, except for the Buick, the performance was a joke by late 60s and today's performance.
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Old 12-27-2013, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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you forget the GMC Syclone/GMC Typhoon those were pretty darn powerful along with the C4 Callaway Corvette Sledgehammer
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Old 12-27-2013, 03:34 PM
 
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Motorweek 1985 - Mustang, Camaro, Firebird shootout - YouTube

Another Motorweek muscle car comparison from the 1980s. Mustang GT, IROC Z, & Firebird
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Old 12-27-2013, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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MotorWeek - GM G-Body's 1986,87 with Sound !! - YouTube

Wow, except for the Buick, the performance was a joke by late 60s and today's performance.
Which is completely irrelevant since these cars weren't offered in the late 60s or today. They were the best thing available at the time, and a heck of a lot better than most of what was available in the 10 years prior.
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Old 12-27-2013, 03:58 PM
 
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Those are really funny now. Craig S. has really aged. LOL
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Old 12-27-2013, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Some old Top Gear Seems Jeremy Clarkson has not changed much but the video is like a ode to the early 1990s

Old Top Gear - GMC Syclone - YouTube
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Old 12-27-2013, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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MotorWeek - GM G-Body's 1986,87 with Sound !! - YouTube

Wow, except for the Buick, the performance was a joke by late 60s and today's performance.
60s cars needed all that HP. And they were still slow given the HP numbers. And handling was a foreign word in the 60s. Sure the 80s had no performance. Hell I think a stock Camry can beat a stock 84 vette in a drag race. The technology was just getting going. They were still selling carbureted cars back then. TBI was like magic and port fuel injection was black magic. Tuners? Wtf is a tuner. If you had 16 inch wheels you were pimp. 13-14 inch wheels were standard. I'm sure in 20 years they will say performance in 2013 was a joke
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Old 12-27-2013, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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The op has cherry picked some early 305 Camaro's as examples, and goes so far as to use 85 so it is pre roller motor. 60's cars were rated at the flywheel, and in the early 70's the government started taxing horsepower, so the manufacturers started rating at rear wheels. This, along with the Nixon gas crisis made Pinto's and Vega's popular cars at the time.

Let's be realistic and compare a 69 Corvette with a 87? Both 14 second cars assuming the 69 was the L46 350 hp car, because the base car 87 would beat the base car 69. The 87 only had an advertised 245 hp, and got 30 mpg on the freeway. Try that in the 69.

I've been tuning 86 thru 93 Camaro's and Corvette's for over 10 years, and these cars have plenty of power. My 90ish loosely based L98 Corvette 350 in my Jeep will smoke 5 and 7 series BMW's. I like to think of it like this: My dad was 1960 California State C gas champion with a Kaiser Henry J with a Chrysler 354 Hemi and ran a 13. My 69 Z28 302 was a 14 second car that got 10 mpg going downhill with a tail wind. My 04 Corvette is a 13 second car that gets 29 mpg. Point: we have come so far since the 60's it's not funny. I had a computer controlled 81 Z28 with a 350, Th350C that had power and got 20 mpg.
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Old 12-27-2013, 07:22 PM
 
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60's cars were rated at the flywheel, and in the early 70's the government started taxing horsepower, so the manufacturers started rating at rear wheels.
That is not true. Manufactors never rated horsepower at the wheels. It was (and still is) measured at the flywheel for both pre 1972 gross and 1972+ net tests.

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The 87 only had an advertised 245 hp, and got 30 mpg on the freeway. Try that in the 69.
Again, not true. Even a brand new 2014 Corvette with a 8 speed transmission can't manage to get 30 mpg on the freeway. A 1987 Corvette gets 15 city and 23 highway, and that is under perfect conditions.
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Old 12-27-2013, 07:27 PM
 
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If you had grown up driving a 1980 Chevette or '85 Caprice station Wagon those numbers would have seemed amazing to you too.
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