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While I am a fan of 90's Japanese metal too, they are getting a bit tiring to the eye for me now. Nothing in the last 8 years coming out of Japan IMHO is worthy of their parents aside from the G35 coupe and to a lessor degree the 350z.
I do think it's America's turn in the next decade of design to put out some stunners.
The Challenger is nice, Ive been a fan since their conceptual drawings. The new Camaro? I think its fugly. The Solstice? Looks like a bug, hideous. The Imp? Mediocre.
What about the RX-8? TSX? RSX? TL? LS460? All clean designs which have inspired many other designs.
Okay, my eyes have judged them... now I know why I like the styling of the '60s muscle cars!
That first one... I don't see anything "sleek" at all. It has the usual chopped-off rear end that you see on most cars these days. And the soap-dish "styling."
The 5th and 6th ones are no beauty queens, either (IMO).
And that Korean one looks like those toy cars I used to push around on the living room carpet.
I'll stick with cars that look like cars.
The first one happens to have a 360hp V8 that rips off 4.2 second 0-60 times. Im willing to bet that if it had Dodge badges on it, youd be singing it praises. I know how you domestic guys are, you just cant get past the Japanese badges. Thats cool though, its your prerogative.
The first one happens to have a 360hp V8 that rips off 4.2 second 0-60 times.
And a 427 Yenko Nova does it in 3.8 seconds.
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Im willing to bet that if it had Dodge badges on it, youd be singing it praises.
No, a strange looking car is a strange looking car, no matter what the badge says.
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I know how you domestic guys are, you just cant get past the Japanese badges. Thats cool though, its your prerogative
I happen to like high-performance cars that look like real cars. Like the '69 Dodge Coronet R/T 440-Magnum below. And, judging by the popularity of that car and others like it, I am far from being the only one.
How many cubes? How much MPG? Does it have to meet strict emissions requirements? How about several cats and other choking devices, not to mention every luxury amenity known to man? The Lexus will smoke the Yenko in top speed, braking, handling, MPG, cruising, amenities, comfort, etc, etc. Now, which is the superior automobile again? Surely not that aged dinosaur Yenko.
Sorry but it shouldn't matter displacement of an engine in regards to MPG....
Or power.
If one manufacturer gets 600HP out of a 6.2 liter superharged V8 why should it be somehow downplayed because Ferrari got 500HP out of 4 liters to use an example??
Funny thing is the current model Z-06 is more capable than most modern supercars but is condemned because in the end it is US made....and of course $100000 cheaper than it's competition.
There is nothing that high tech in a Z-06 but it is incredibly fast,handles better than most Ferraris,etc and looks great doing it.
Here we go again.... A 200hp Civic keeps up with many sedans that are much more powerful. Ever heard of power-to-weight ratio?
No, I've never heard of that in the 20 years I've been turbocharging and building custom cars. Those Lotus' that were in my shop for turbos are a mystery to me.
197hp and 2877lb is not that good really. (nevermind the wrong wheel drive.) A 14.6:1 hp/weight ratio.
The afore mentioned family sedean at 270hp and 3300lbs has a 12.2:1 hp/weight ratio.
Ooops.
Perhaps a better race would be a Hyundai Sonata at 14.3:1 hp/weight ratio. lol
200hp (And that for a short very high rpm peak) is a joke in todays market. Period. Nevermind that whopping 139 pound-feet of torque. ROFL
You ever hear of linear power? That would be a combination of hp AND torque.
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And all Hondas are not sports cars?
You were talking about Civics. The S2000 is the only car that fits that description in Honda's lineup. The NSX is not a sports car.
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The S2000 had a 2.0L 4 cylinder that made 240 hp and ran high 13s stock. At its debut, it was faster than a 5.7L Camaro Z28 SS and was FAR SUPERIOR in the handling dept too.
ARE YOU CRAZY.
The LS1 Camaro was a 12 second car out of the box. The S2000 on it's BEST day destroying the clutch (That torque thing again) MIGHT get into the 13's. MAYBE. The same abuse on an SS put the car square in the 12's and it could do it time and time again without self destructing.
The S2000 in that same drag race would pull about a 100mph trap speed.
The SS will pull about 110mph. In other words, it will be walking away from the Honda like they hit the brakes.
Handling is better? You SURE about that?
Why in the SCCA stock class would they put the 1996+ Camaro in A-Stock right next to the S2000 then? And this is on a tight autocross ciruit where you would think the Honda would shine!
The LS1 Camaro was far and above a better performing car than an S2000. You can argue one was more "nimble" or one might have "felt" better than the other but at the end of the day, the Camaro would turn a better lap and quarter mile time. Period.
Maybe if you actually RACED on a track like Limerock or the Glen and actually LOOKED under the front of a Z28 you would know what you are talking about. (Camaro has an all aluminum subframe, aluminum control arms, multi piston calipers and LARGE rotors etc etc)
I wish more people would open their eyes regarding the new GM products such as the G8, CTS (Car of the year), Malibu (Top 10), Tahoe, Pickups etc.
Light years ahead of the products they had out in the 90's. Well said.
Thanks. It is sad to see all these American people bashing all the American Car companies based on opinions of cars from many years ago.
GM is still the biggest car company in America and is beating Toyota by 1.2 million units in American sales.
The first one happens to have a 360hp V8 that rips off 4.2 second 0-60 times. Im willing to bet that if it had Dodge badges on it, youd be singing it praises. I know how you domestic guys are, you just cant get past the Japanese badges. Thats cool though, its your prerogative.
Last I've seen is 4.6 seconds but whatever - I'll give you a pass on that.
So Lexus finally joined the rest of the world and released a 400hp sedan. Nothing special in the end.
No one has done that before.
You need a day at the drag strip in a real hotrod V8 car with a set of slicks that lifts the front end 3 feet off the ground. You won't go around quoting 0-60 times anymore, I can promise you that. lol
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Im willing to bet that if it had Dodge badges on it, youd be singing it praises. I know how you domestic guys are, you just cant get past the Japanese badges. Thats cool though, its your prerogative.
A 200hp Civic keeps up with many sedans that are much more powerful. Ever heard of power-to-weight ratio?
