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This is my first, and only, post in this thread. I've been teaching, facilitating and consulting in the Quality arena since 1989, so I do happen to know my hat from third base in this arena.
Ford Motor Company is the ONLY American auto manufacturer that has actually been paying careful attention since that time in the late 1980s when Japanese vehicles dang-near took over the world. I could provide entire reams of documentation to support this. In the interest of brevity I will not. But you know they exist, and you know I have them.
So, I was not at all surprised that Ford was the only American car manufacturer that DID NOT participate in "Bush's Bailout"; they only took a short-term loan that they promised to quickly repay. And you know what? They actually DID!!!
WARNING!!! INCOMING PERSONAL OPINION!!!
Unless things radically change over the long-term, I will NEVER purchase a General Motors or Chrysler Corporation vehicle. In my decidedly personal experience (backed up, I must add, by a lot of hard data), GM and Chrysler may have (finally!) learned how to Talk the Talk. However, they have never demonstrated any long-term ability to Walk the Walk. Consider that GM's Cadillac Division actually WON the Malcolm Baldridge National Quality Award, but in the next three years amassed a TERRIBLE customer quality rating! ("Whew! We won, so now we can go back to doing things the REAL way...")
Case in point: Here, in March of 2014, my personal vehicle is a 1998 Ford Explorer. I have maintained it as the Owner's Manual suggests and, so far, have incurred no significant issues. As of right now my Explorer has logged over 233,000 miles, and it is going just as strong as the day I first drove it off the dealer's lot. All around me, my neighbors have gone through two, or three (and sometimes four) non-Ford vehicles. Their chief complaints have been long-term quality issues. Yes, this includes several GM products.
My point is simple. The day-to-day, or month-to-month, stats mean very little. GM may be on top NOW -- TODAY -- RIGHT THIS INSTANT -- but this has absolutely no bearing on the long haul.
(Take particular note of the fact that I never even mentioned the better European or Japanese product-lines...)
-- Nighteyes
Last edited by Nighteyes; 03-06-2014 at 06:26 PM..
I support any car company capable of building a reliable affordable car that meets my needs. GM does not do so. Buying crappy cars from GM with high costs of negotiated benefits they can not afford today is not the long term solution. Doing so means delaying their bail out.. oh wait that already happened.
Once I saw union workers laid off due to low demand by US car companies who were sitting in a room doing nothing because of union rules. I knew GM was not the company with a cost structure that worries about me..the customer
This is my first, and only, post in this thread. I've been teaching, facilitating and consulting in the Quality arena since 1989, so I do happen to know my hat from third base in this arena.
Ford Motor Company is the ONLY American auto manufacturer that has actually been paying careful attention since that time in the late 1980s when Japanese vehicles dang-near took over the world. I could provide entire reams of documentation to support this. In the interest of brevity I will not. But you know they exist, and you know I have them.
So, I was not at all surprised that Ford was the only American car manufacturer that DID NOT participate in "Bush's Bailout"; they only took a short-term loan that they promised to quickly repay. And you know what? They actually DID!!!
WARNING!!! INCOMING PERSONAL OPINION!!!
Unless things radically change over the long-term, I will NEVER purchase a General Motors or Chrysler Corporation vehicle. In my decidedly personal experience (backed up, I must add, by a lot of hard data), GM and Chrysler may have (finally!) learned how to Talk the Talk. However, they have never demonstrated any long-term ability to Walk the Walk. Consider that GM's Cadillac Division actually WON the Malcolm Baldridge National Quality Award, but in the next three years amassed a TERRIBLE customer quality rating! ("Whew! We won, so now we can go back to doing things the REAL way...")
Case in point: Here, in March of 2014, my personal vehicle is a 1998 Ford Explorer. I have maintained it as the Owner's Manual suggests and, so far, have incurred no significant issues. As of right now my Explorer has logged over 233,000 miles, and it is going just as strong as the day I first drove it off the dealer's lot. All around me, my neighbors have gone through two, or three (and sometimes four) non-Ford vehicles. Their chief complaints have been long-term quality issues. Yes, this includes several GM products.
My point is simple. The day-to-day, or month-to-month, stats mean very little. GM may be on top NOW -- TODAY -- RIGHT THIS INSTANT -- but this has absolutely no bearing on the long haul.
(Take particular note of the fact that I never even mentioned the better European or Japanese product-lines...)
-- Nighteyes
This does not apply, because it is not in line with typical regurgitate GOP mantra. You failed to bash unions, Americans, and claim all vehicles are just pure garbage. Without the proper handbook you'll just be another outsider who's capable of independent thought. Amazing. You also didn't place fabricated labels upon other in order to attempt a position of superiority. How dare you make sense!
Thank goodness you have this choice. our economy and Canada are really closely tied together. I think the Camaro is made there, but the engines are in Tonawanda.
Foreign manufacturers providing jobs here is great, because at least some of the money stays here. However, there's many models made right here that can be purchased that keeps all the money here.
There is not one vehicle "made" in the US that keeps all the money here.
Ladies and gentlemen, I believe that was an attempt at a joke!
(granted, it comes with the same limited command of the English language as demonstrated before, considering "banter" cannot refer to a person, but at least it's something...there may be hope yet)
you know you've found a good thread when people start accusing others of not "being patriotic" because they don't choose to buy mediocre automobiles.
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