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Old 02-25-2014, 08:48 AM
 
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Nr. 1 in what? Breakdown statistics? There are some far better brands I can think of like Toyota or Volkswagen.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Nr. 1 in what? Breakdown statistics? There are some far better brands I can think of like Toyota or Volkswagen.
You make fun of GM for being unreliable then mention Volkswagen. Thanks for letting us know to not take you seriously from now on.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:12 AM
 
Location: new yawk zoo
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Many people don't care about GM. They have lost a few generations of buyers. I will never buy a GM. Neither has my dad for 30+ years.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati, OH
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Why will you never buy a GM?
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:22 AM
 
Location: plano
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GM should never have been rescued. Same with Chrysler - both times. The US told the auto industry: "It is ok to suck and make poor quality vehicles for decades. No need to worry about over spending on labor and employing bad management. We'll save you if you need it."
The companies weren't rescued, the union jobs were. GM is a company who makes cars to keep promises to pay healthcare and retirees. The biggest car company to me is the one with the largest profit, being big for big's sake is not a good thing but being successful as measured by profitable sales is how to measure it.

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Old 02-25-2014, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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When the Bush administration pushed for the TARP bailouts back in 08 a lot of people thought it was wrong. Okay, so our politicians did it, but what's worse is the stock sale that just occurred at a huge loss to the taxpayer of billions. GM executives pushed for it, because they were limited in how much they suck out of the company under TARP guidelines. they've now taken taxpayers for billions and spent it on bonus's, corporate jets, and general mismanagement while Delpi White collar retirees lost their pensions. At least they're #1.
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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I wonder how many of those GM vehicles were rentals or fleet sales versus Toyota?
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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The companies wernt rescued, the union jobs were. GM is a company who makes cars to keep promises to pay healthcare and retirees. The biggest car company to me is the one with the largest profit, being big for big's sake is not a good thing but being successful as measured by profitable sales is how to measure it.
Oh please, expound on how Bush bailed out unions?

The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008.

Troubled Asset Relief Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:35 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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GM does seem to be quite good at willingly killing people:

GM knew about fatal Chevy ignition problem decade before recall - Autoblog
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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GM does seem to be quite good at willingly killing people:

GM knew about fatal Chevy ignition problem decade before recall - Autoblog
Right up there with Toyota.

Toyota Deaths
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