GM is number 1 (traction, fuel, brake, toll)

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by phlinak

I seem to recall President Obama being severely criticized and trashed by the Republicans and "Faux" (Fox) News for proposing and advocating of the temporary bailout of "Government Motors" (GM), in order to save millions of jobs and in spite of the fact that the loans were being paid back early and completely.

MSNBC (faux news) has nothing to do with this.

[MrWillys]

Originally Posted by hoffdano

Only a few if you actually read through the list. And the sharing declines every year as models are phased out. Mazda will eventually quit using Ford based V6 engines. Their Skyactiv 4 cylinder engines outperform Ford's competitive (and home grown) Ecoboost 4 cylinder engines.

So at first you said that was a long time ago, and when proven it is still occurring you make another excuse. A man admits when he's wrong, so you've proven your qualities. Get the pink ones, because they'll look best.

[Fargobound]

Originally Posted by Fleet

Then why did Toyota agree to pay a $17.35 million fine?

http://www.autonews.com/article/20121218/OEM11/121219885/toyota-to-pay-record-$17.35-million-fine-for-u.s.-defect-reporting#

Sometimes it's easier to settle out of court then risk an even bigger loss because some judge or jury members have constipation and low IQ points.

Anyways

In other news this week GM knew about this defect for a decade.

GM adds four models to recall, doubles deaths to 13

[MrWillys]

Originally Posted by Fargobound

Sometimes it's easier to settle out of court then risk an even bigger loss because some judge or jury members have constipation and low IQ points.

Anyways

In other news this week GM knew about this defect for a decade.

GM adds four models to recall, doubles deaths to 13

So Gm's horrific recall was from the 2003 model year, and involved less than 200,000 units. Toyota's minor error (in your standard) started in the 2004 model year, and involved 6.5 million units.

Okay, at least we know you're not biased in any way? REALLY

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_462601.html

[Fargobound]

Originally Posted by MrWillys

So Gm's horrific recall was from the 2003 model year, and involved less than 200,000 units. Toyota's minor error (in your standard) started in the 2004 model year, and involved 6.5 million units.

Okay, at least we know you're not biased in any way? REALLY

Toyota Recall: 34 Deaths Alleged From Gas Pedal Problem

Here’s some more fat for the GM apologists to chew on.

GM issues rare public apology amid recall of 1.6 million cars - latimes.com

GM will always be a turd company end of story.

[MrWillys]

Originally Posted by Fargobound

Here’s some more fat for the GM apologists to chew on.

GM issues rare public apology amid recall of 1.6 million cars - latimes.com

GM will always be a turd company end of story.

Toyota is still tops with 2.5 million. Take a math class and you'll realize that's a million more crappy cars from Toyota in a single recall. I'm just seeking truth, and will never buy another GM product, but your lies don't change facts.

[hoffdano]

Originally Posted by MrWillys

So at first you said that was a long time ago, and when proven it is still occurring you make another excuse. A man admits when he's wrong, so you've proven your qualities. Get the pink ones, because they'll look best.

Will you feel better if I admit I was wrong? It is also true Ford benefited from their partnership with Mazda. Mazda benefited also - mostly on two engines. Now that the two companies are not partners, the platformes are diverging.

Ford couldn't make Jaguar, Volvo, or Range Rover successful.

But this thread is really about GM. They shared with Toyota!

[wamer27]

Minnesota judge frees man convicted in acceleration crash of Toyota - CNN.com

Local guy
My wife and her daughter experienced the same thing many times in her 2005 Camry. Glad she replaced it with a Sonata.

[Fargobound]

Originally Posted by MrWillys

Toyota is still tops with 2.5 million. Take a math class and you'll realize that's a million more crappy cars from Toyota in a single recall. I'm just seeking truth, and will never buy another GM product, but your lies don't change facts.

Sometimes you don’t need to have a recall to know that a car company builds crap. The Vega, Aztec, Cavalier, Sunfire, the list goes on and on with GM.

If America depended on GM to get to work I can sarcastically say our GDP would drop to that of a banana republic.

[MrWillys]

Originally Posted by hoffdano

Will you feel better if I admit I was wrong? It is also true Ford benefited from their partnership with Mazda. Mazda benefited also - mostly on two engines. Now that the two companies are not partners, the platformes are diverging.

Ford couldn't make Jaguar, Volvo, or Range Rover successful.

But this thread is really about GM. They shared with Toyota!

Actually, it is a value I hold dear, so yes it does matter. Ford brought Jaguar from a car you converted to a gm drivetrain to respectable. Volvo was probably an equal share, and Ford learned from Mazda. However, it was Ford that brought this together.