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I have a nearly 30 year old Pontiac Fiero in my garage right now. Despite it's reputation, it still runs just fine and has never left me stranded. I guess it is long lasting.
I've always thought the H-body cars from '86-'90 (LeSabre/Park Ave, Eigty Eight/Ninety Eight) were some of the best ones GM ever made. They were very solid reliable cars in a time period when most everything else was wasn't. The 3.8 was a darned good engine until GM messed it up in the mid 90's by putting too many plastic parts on it.
Care to explain the great no recall idea GM recently displayed? I owned GM most of my life until a 1983 Cadillac Sedan De Ville stranded my wife multiple times with less than 40k miles on it. It nearly broke GM and me trying to keep it running. It was a diaster and I wont go back after having 12 flawless nice looking infiniti's and 2 good Lexus's. Without the Japanese pushing reliability neither US nor Euro manufacturers would be building a reliable car as they now do all because of competition not their leadership. Any company who pays workers that were laid off due to reduced demand, to sit in a room and do thing and yet pays them is going to get my $.
Care to explain the great no recall idea GM recently displayed? I owned GM most of my life until a 1983 Cadillac Sedan De Ville stranded my wife multiple times with less than 40k miles on it. It nearly broke GM and me trying to keep it running. It was a diaster and I wont go back after having 12 flawless nice looking infiniti's and 2 good Lexus's. Without the Japanese pushing reliability neither US nor Euro manufacturers would be building a reliable car as they now do all because of competition not their leadership. Any company who pays workers that were laid off due to reduced demand, to sit in a room and do thing and yet pays them is going to get my $.
I suppose it is no different than the "no recall idea" Toyota just got fined billions for.
Here is my thought on this. I completely understand that there will be cars going 200K from both the domestic and import side, but what my concern is with jobs for your average worker. The OP talks about money going to Japan et al, and that your money should stay in America. The problem is that a lot of so called American cars aren't made in America at all. They are made in Mexico and Canada. So, if you buy that American car made in Mexico, your money supported Mexican employees, the dealership employees, and the CEOs bonuses at the automaker. Buy a car manufactured and assembled in the US, you are now supporting a whole slew of workers in the plants. These workers are your everyday Joe and Sue. These are the people who should earn our American Dollar. So, before people go all 'Murica' on cars, they should look to see if their car actually is American after all.
Most of my very hard earned money is NOT going back to the world standard of corporate greed, aka Detroit Big Three, because I am staying away from their products.
And American economy is down the sewers not because people buy what they TRUST with their hard earned money, but because Made in USA is no more world standard of quality. YOU, OP, let the quality out. Look into a mirror before blaming it on "you people".
otherwise to your original question. Our 86 Chrysler leBaron made it all the way through 168 000 miles and was a pleasant and "exciting" car, being GTS, but it does not qualify, as it was made in kahutz with dreaded by you Mitsubishi. Otherwise, every pure bread Detroit product I touched was much worse quality than it's Japan made counterpart.
Here's easy fix for your concern. MAKE BETTER VEHICLES. Buyers will come.
Um... you do know that the Japanese and German auto manufacturers are for profit and make very large ones? They are just as "greedy" as the American ones. Look at how many Toyota's were recalled.
Also, the parent car company doesn't really mean much about where a car is actually made and I think most people view "Made in the USA" as a very positive sign.
Here is my thought on this. I completely understand that there will be cars going 200K from both the domestic and import side, but what my concern is with jobs for your average worker. The OP talks about money going to Japan et al, and that your money should stay in America. The problem is that a lot of so called American cars aren't made in America at all. They are made in Mexico and Canada. So, if you buy that American car made in Mexico, your money supported Mexican employees, the dealership employees, and the CEOs bonuses at the automaker. Buy a car manufactured and assembled in the US, you are now supporting a whole slew of workers in the plants. These workers are your everyday Joe and Sue. These are the people who should earn our American Dollar. So, before people go all 'Murica' on cars, they should look to see if their car actually is American after all.
Not this again... but if we go here it would be best to really examine the total domestic economic impact of buying from a particular brand, or even down to a particular model instead of just using hyperbole about which worker where made what. Although following the money trail on particular models has been tried, it is very difficult. Still, there seems very little argument that more of the total profit of the domestic based companies remain in the US, than the profit of the foreign based companies.
So anyone who was truly concerned with "buying American" as their overriding factor would look at far more than just the final assembly location alone... and if they did it would heavily sway them back to the domestic brands since they DO build a lot of cars domestically too (just as the foreign brands build many cars off shore too), but the domestics still do many other things domestically which most of the foreign brands either do minimally or not at all.
Not this again... but if we go here it would be best to really examine the total domestic economic impact of buying from a particular brand, or even down to a particular model instead of just using hyperbole about which worker where made what. Although following the money trail on particular models has been tried, it is very difficult. Still, there seems very little argument that more of the total profit of the domestic based companies remain in the US, than the profit of the foreign based companies.
So anyone who was truly concerned with "buying American" as their overriding factor would look at far more than just the final assembly location alone... and if they did it would heavily sway them back to the domestic brands since they DO build a lot of cars domestically too (just as the foreign brands build many cars off shore too), but the domestics still do many other things domestically which most of the foreign brands either do minimally or not at all.
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