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Old 06-17-2014, 06:12 PM
 
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Ever heard of sarcasm? (Who would seriously propose that we make steam powered vehicles mandatory? Sheesh.)
Sorry I just misinterpreted what you were saying.
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Old 06-17-2014, 06:35 PM
 
Location: NYC
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15 yrs from now, all cars will have some type of modern hybrid tech developed today. It's inevitable because the govt mandates high MPG ratings and car makers can longer get efficiency out of a running gas engine unless they compromise safety.

The only way to save gas is some type of fuel cut-off eletric motor that can jump start. People may hate hybrids today because the tech is still early but once battery tech makes the 1st breakthrough then oil will most likely be used less.
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Old 06-17-2014, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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As long as government mandates improved mileage vehicles they'll be someone who thinks it's bad. Take a poll on EGR and half the people would say it's bad. All it does is recirculate unburned gases, and improves mileage in off throttle, light load, and high vacuum conditions. However, it's been labeled smog, so the anti government haters think it's evil.

HW Bush campaigned against environmentalists, and then signed the Clean Air Act of 1990. That's why it's called politics. I'm not picking on HW, because I admire him, but using as a point of understanding of the above.
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Old 06-17-2014, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Twin Lakes /Taconic / Salisbury
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15 yrs from now, all cars will have some type of modern hybrid tech developed today. It's inevitable because the govt mandates high MPG ratings and car makers can longer get efficiency out of a running gas engine unless they compromise safety.

The only way to save gas is some type of fuel cut-off eletric motor that can jump start. People may hate hybrids today because the tech is still early but once battery tech makes the 1st breakthrough then oil will most likely be used less.

This ^^^^^ adding an electric motor that makes use of what would otherwise be wasted energy from coasting down and braking takes NOTHING away from the internal combustion engine. Thats why they are in virtually every mode of mass transit these days and more and more race cars these days whether its the Tudor series, F1 or FIA. Capacitors tech is almost fully there. Thats when hybrids as a whole will greatly expand.

Pretty funny all the people that get butt hurt about hybrids who say, "youre not taking away my petrol engine!!" Apparently they dont know what the heck the basic/dictionary meaning of "hybrid" is. Your petrol engine is still there under the hood simpleton.
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Old 06-17-2014, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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This ^^^^^
What does it mean exactly?
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Old 06-17-2014, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Twin Lakes /Taconic / Salisbury
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What does it mean exactly?
Ummmm.. it points up towards the quoted text.. look up!!
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:31 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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I know there are a lot of people who think good things have come out of the government placing mandates of all sorts on the auto industry. Why not force them to build hybrids only?
I think a better approach would be to mandate a certain fuel efficiency. instead of doing it for the entire fleet, do it by vehicle class.

mandating a specific technology wouldn't be wise. but if car companies think hybrid technology was the best way to meet a compact car CAFE MPG requirement of, say, 60mpg, then fine.
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I think a better approach would be to mandate a certain fuel efficiency. instead of doing it for the entire fleet, do it by vehicle class.

mandating a specific technology wouldn't be wise. but if car companies think hybrid technology was the best way to meet a compact car CAFE MPG requirement of, say, 60mpg, then fine.
If the public policy goal is to actually reduce consumption of a commodity, the best and simplest way to do it is to make the consumption of that commodity more expensive; e.g. in this case, raise fuel taxes. All else being constant, a higher fuel economy mandate actually makes it less expensive to consume fuel. And yet choosing the option that makes fuel consumption less expensive somehow makes more sense to the policy boffins in Washington.

If we have to pick one crappy policy or another, pick the one that actually accomplishes what the the policy is supposedly trying to accomplish. Better fuel economy does not decrease energy consumption. I wish the pillocks in Washington would get that through their coconut-thick skulls. If Congress wants us to consume less fuel, they should ditch the maddeningly arcane CAFE rules, have the balls to raise the fuel tax, and take direct responsibility for their policy decisions instead of trying to fob off the task to the auto manufacturers. Then the manufacturers can re-focus their R&D efforts toward satisfying their customers instead of satisfying the EPA.

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