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Old 06-21-2014, 11:40 AM
 
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1990 Jeep YJ Wrangler, 2.5L 4 cyl. w/180,000+ miles.

Just by listening, how can I tell the difference between a lifter 'tick' and a rod 'knocking'? Engine runs smooth. Uses no oil and pressure is around 50+ lbs. Gets 14 - 15 mpg. I can hear it best at idle.
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Old 06-21-2014, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Pilot Point, TX
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Marvel mystery oil - it'll help with lifters tapping, but it won't stop a rod from knocking.
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Old 06-21-2014, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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I had a tick on my chevy truck. Turned out to be a loose spark plug. I had a tune up at the local garage and about a week later I noticed the tick. I took it back and they claimed it was the timing chain which I agreed to have replaced. It still ticked after I got it back and they claimed it was an exhaust manifold which they replaced "for free". (after I wasted 400.00 on the timing chain) It still ticked after the gasket and I didn't want that "mechanic" messing around with it anymore.

After a couple of google searches people mentioned a tick from loose spark plugs. I decided to check and sure enough one of the plugs was just hand tight. I tightened it and the tick went away.
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Old 06-21-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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Thanks. I'll check that right now............Well, it's not the plugs. Maybe I should have described the noise as a 'loud tap' instead of a 'tick'. My guess is either a lifter or a rod. I thought they might be diagnosed by ear. I'll try the Marvel Mystery Oil next. It will be a while before I get back. I'm having total knee replacement in a couple of days.

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Old 06-21-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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a rod knock sounds like a high pitched double tapping noise that is connected to the engine rpm.
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Old 06-21-2014, 12:54 PM
 
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a rod knock sounds like a high pitched double tapping noise that is connected to the engine rpm.
What does a lifter tap sound like?
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Old 06-21-2014, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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What does a lifter tap sound like?


It would just be a light *tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap*

I have a 2.5 in my 91 YJ, as well. 141K miles..... does the same thing. Doesn't burn any oil, doesn't drip any oil. Still has good compression.

I'm not worried about it.


What is your oil pressure at idle? Should be around 25-30. And 45-50 cruising at about 2500rpm.
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Old 06-21-2014, 01:18 PM
 
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What is your oil pressure at idle? Should be around 25-30. And 45-50 cruising at about 2500rpm.
I'll go check now. It's gonna take me a few minutes. My garage is kinda far and I've got a bad knee......

Okay, with a cold engine, at idle----about 50. On the road...the same. It varies a little with the speed.

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Old 06-21-2014, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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Let warm up before getting a reading though.

When I had the 4.0 in my other YJ, it would idle at around 50. Then when it warmed up it would drop to about 35 once it was at normal operating temps.
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Old 06-21-2014, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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1990 Jeep YJ Wrangler, 2.5L 4 cyl. w/180,000+ miles.

Just by listening, how can I tell the difference between a lifter 'tick' and a rod 'knocking'? Engine runs smooth. Uses no oil and pressure is around 50+ lbs. Gets 14 - 15 mpg. I can hear it best at idle.
Lifter ticking is sharp and fast and sounds like a sewing machine.
Rod knock is deeper and slower than lifter tick and more base sounding. And it down lower in the block as far as sound origin. It will also quicken in tempo with the revs
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