Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Automotive
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-27-2014, 10:44 AM
 
Location: NY
9,131 posts, read 19,997,945 times
Reputation: 11707

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by quattrohead View Post
My wife beats the arse off our 2013 Sienna lol, probably whilst using the phone and yelling at the kids.
The Sienna is a very quick van, don't take one on without knowing what you are up against lol

The OEM tires are going to be knackered by 20K, just as well because they are dangerous in the snow.
Yup. Stop light drag racers everywhere live in fear of the Toyota Swagger-Wagon!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-27-2014, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Holly Neighborhood, Austin, Texas
3,981 posts, read 6,733,219 times
Reputation: 2882
Quote:
Originally Posted by Merc63 View Post
Percentages are used for scare tactics. You'll note that your stats are misleading in that you are trying to paint the picture than 78% of SUVs flip over and that's factually incorrect. What they are talking about is fatalities. The total number of rollovers for fatalities is still in the hundreds per year. What your stats are REALLY saying is that IF you are in a rollover, you are more likely to die in an SUV than in a car, not that more SUVs roll over. But you are very unlikely to get into a rollover in the first place. Total number of rollovers tend to be in the 2000-4000 range annually.

Compare that to how many SUVs are out there and you'll see that very few SUVs actually flip over. Not enough to worry about unless you're a crap driver or drunk, which is still a factor in over half the fatalities on the road. Fact is, twice as many CARS flip over annually as SUVs in sheer numbers! While the RATE (number of rollovers per hundred vehciles of that type on the road) is slightly higher for SUVs than cars, the totals are still in the .0001-.0002% range for either (i.e. only .0001% of cars and .0002% of SUVs flip over). It's pretty easy to be in the 99.9998% of SUVs that DON"T flip over, even driving fast in the corners.

Actually it looks like "light trucks" rollover more often than passenger cars:

Rollovers per 100 million VMT -


Passenger Cars - 1994: 8.5; 2003: 6.8; 2004: 6.5
Light Trucks - 1994: 13.5; 2003: 14.3; 2004: 13.8

Sources: NTSA, NCSA, GES, RL Polk

This in intuitive as an SUV's higher center of gravity should lead to more rollovers if everything else is equal.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2014, 02:14 PM
 
Location: new yawk zoo
8,679 posts, read 11,069,654 times
Reputation: 6354
Quote:
Originally Posted by verybadgnome View Post
This in intuitive as an SUV's higher center of gravity should lead to more rollovers if everything else is equal.
don't forget a lot of people don't know how to really drive a pickup truck. The weight distribution can really be off
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2014, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
5,228 posts, read 15,282,410 times
Reputation: 4846
Quote:
Originally Posted by verybadgnome View Post
Actually it looks like "light trucks" rollover more often than passenger cars:

Rollovers per 100 million VMT -


Passenger Cars - 1994: 8.5; 2003: 6.8; 2004: 6.5
Light Trucks - 1994: 13.5; 2003: 14.3; 2004: 13.8

Sources: NTSA, NCSA, GES, RL Polk

This in intuitive as an SUV's higher center of gravity should lead to more rollovers if everything else is equal.
You're quoting percentages again (per x number is a percentage, not a total number), not total numbers. If you're going to use percentages, look at the total numbers of them that roll vs the total number of them on the road.

In all cases, it's less than .0001-.0002% that roll over. And in total numbers, twice as many cars roll over as light trucks/SUVs. Yes, the RATE is higher, but the TOTAL number is lower.

Since you want to continue to use percentages, let's take another look: There are 200 MILLION passenger vehicles on the road and less than 3% of them get into ANY KIND of accident per year. Of those, less than 1% are rollovers. yes, 1% OF 3%.

Again, sources are NHTSA and FARS.

Oh, BTW, SUVs may have a higher center of gravity, but they also have a wider track, leading to a very similar center of mass and roll center.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-27-2014, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
10,261 posts, read 21,743,416 times
Reputation: 10454
Quote:
Originally Posted by FloridaHappy View Post

And my SUV (Chevy Equinox) gets 26 mpg in town and better than 32 on the open road.
Yeah, sure.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-28-2014, 05:38 AM
 
6 posts, read 5,573 times
Reputation: 15
A friend wanted to get a car for his mum, she insisted on minivan when obviously she's the only one to ride in it all the time. All kids are grown and away from home.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-28-2014, 05:47 AM
 
6 posts, read 5,573 times
Reputation: 15
It's in the mind. I think a single man will not put his money on minivan. I won't. I was looking for something small, powerful, well not a race car and fuel efficient and have found it in corolla, so much that I don't want to drive my crv anymore
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-03-2014, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
5,800 posts, read 6,564,796 times
Reputation: 3151
Minivans are aimed at a certain segment of the car-buying public, but have taken a hit popularity courtesy of the SUVs out there, even though the minivans currently in the market are very good.

Last edited by Marv101; 07-03-2014 at 09:24 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-03-2014, 01:05 PM
 
1,174 posts, read 2,512,808 times
Reputation: 1414
Quote:
Originally Posted by starboy michael View Post
It's in the mind. I think a single man will not put his money on minivan. I won't. I was looking for something small, powerful, well not a race car and fuel efficient and have found it in corolla, so much that I don't want to drive my crv anymore
I hate CRVs. It's a practical little SUV (for small humans) that is pretty efficient, but when I step on the gas nothing happens except it buzzes a little louder.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Automotive

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:42 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top