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Old 12-15-2014, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Flawduh
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How do you know they are 4wd/awd?
I believe he parks next to them, crouched under the vehicles and looks to see if they have a front driveshaft and front and rear axles...
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Old 12-15-2014, 01:11 PM
 
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The next time we get 10" of heavy snow in Minnesota and it's about -10 degrees I'll race you in a 1/4 mile for titles. You put whatever tires you want on that front wheel drive car and I'll just leave the all season tires on mine. And I'll win by 10 car lengths.

Make it an uphill race and I'll win by 20.

What a stupid debate.
Sure, studded snow tires on mine and I'll win with my eyes closed
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Old 12-15-2014, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Kirkland, WA (Metro Seattle)
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Tires are the most important factor in winter driving
Ain't that the truth. My old man never had 4WD or AWD in many (dozens) of cars 1950-2004 (his last), only snow tires. In WA DC, SE Michigan, and Connecticut. Mostly flat places, to be sure, but boy did snow tires work.

Twenty pages later: Old thread, but like OP I'm in Seattle area. We've determined it totally depends on where you live and what you like, or need, to do with the vehicle!

So for Seattle only:

As OP said, snow in Seattle (or as we say snow-mageddon) is rare, but usually causes havoc a lot like that ice storm in Atlanta in 2013 (I think). The latter was extreme. Seattle is a lot of hills, few plows, and people freak out, see his video of the Christmas storm of 2008 (two storms). I work from home most of those (rare) days. I don't think we freak out more, or less, than Atlantans: in a place where snow and ice is rare, being prepared is a questionable endeavor.

The moist roads, however...my fun car has AWD, that was the point. It is definitely wet, or "could" be wet, about 7 months/year in the PacNW. I drive it around somewhat aggressively and the AWD grabs up even in dodgy traction in wet weather. Also, it's fun in light snow (rear engine) and I've had it out various times in that. Heavy snow, I'm staying put. I grew up in Michigan and know about real snow, thus don't push my luck either.

Over-hyped? Everywhere, for sports cars, yep! ...though the Germans in-particular may take issue with that (BMW, Porsche, Audi come to mind). Subarus and a bit of forest trails here in Seattle, geez I dunno: here they are awesome for skiers, too, given great skiing is <60 miles away. I've taken my 2WD truck up some of those forestry trails he alluded to numerous times without trouble, also to legally shoot on Forestry land, but never past November and seldom before March. I know where it can and cannot go, though: that's the real trick, know your vehicle's capability and your tires!
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