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Sit inside an Audi A3 or A4 vs a Lexus LS460. Tell me a Lexus isn't luxury. Yes I'm comparing a base Audi vs top end Lexus but it is still Audi vs Lexus.
If you can't call Lexus a luxury brand than you can't do the same for Audi.
Audi, BMW, Mercedes all have low end models barely clearing $30K. Same with Infiniti and Lexus. But those are still luxury vehicles due to the nameplate. They can only be purchased new at a Lexus dealership (vs Toyota). Same for Infiniti.
You're definition of luxury is just different than mine. I have different justifications as to what I define as a luxury car. For one, FWD shouldn't be on a luxury car.
We aren't going to agree here, and i'm not expecting to convince others of my points.
You're definition of luxury is just different than mine. I have different justifications as to what I define as a luxury car. For one, FWD shouldn't be on a luxury car.
We aren't going to agree here, and i'm not expecting to convince others of my points.
Agreed. But keep in mind most Lexus models are RWD with optional AWD. The only one I can think off the top of my head as a FWD model is the ES (maybe CT also?)
Also, many people cross shop LS with 7 series with S Class.
Agreed. But keep in mind most Lexus models are RWD with optional AWD. The only one I can think off the top of my head as a FWD model is the ES (maybe CT also?)
The two vehicles that make up the bulk of Lexus sales are the FWD ES and RX.
FWD luxury crossovers are big sellers. Cadillac looked at RX sales and ditched the RWD SRX for FWD.
It immediately jumped to #2 seller in the class, staying there for a number of years and handily outselling its predecessor.
Women drive the sales of these things. For many the packaging advantages of FWD trump which wheels drive the car.
You're definition of luxury is just different than mine. I have different justifications as to what I define as a luxury car. For one, FWD shouldn't be on a luxury car.
We aren't going to agree here, and i'm not expecting to convince others of my points.
Whether you disagree or not. In the U.S Infiniti is considered a luxury brand. They are not compared against Toyotas or Hondas or Hyundias.
People set out to have the best that they can get their hands on, to enjoy life. I don't fault people for wanting to lease a BMW for $329/mo. If they struggle every month, that's on them. If they do it just for image rather than enjoy the product, that's also on them. It's so common these days - who cares if you're in a BMW except those who point it out to others on the road or on the internet? Enjoy it because getting what you want is the only reason you're working.
Exactly. You work for your money, so you should be able to enjoy it as you wish. I love driving and have always loved cars and appreciate the fine engineering and craftsmanship that go into a luxury vehicle, as well as the more refined driving experience. That would be my reason for owning one. I don't give a flying hoot about what other people think about me or my car. I personally don't live beyond my means and prioritize things like home ownership and retirement savings, but if other people stupidly stretch themselves thin in order to impress other people, then that's on them. I think that would also be my biggest reason to not purchase, say, a BMW. I love BMWs, but I am not sure I would want to be associated with the stereotypical BMW driver. So in a few years when I'm ready to trade in my Subaru, I think I will be looking hard at a Volvo. They are a really underrated brand, IMO. Definitely not as showy as the first-tier luxury brands, but still offer a great combination of luxury and "everyday" sportiness.
Guess what there are 12k, 15k, and 18k plus a year mile leases too. You can lower your payment by opting for the lower mileage. However, if you sell, buy or trade in your lease before final lease date and you're over mileage you won't get penalized. You only get penalized if you turn it back into dealer and walk away.
I did not know that.
Well, that's still not enough mileage for me. I'm not driving anywhere near 81,000 miles/yr like I did in 2007, but I'm still over 18K by a lot.
Some of my coworkers and I were talking about this the other day. A lot of us drive BMW 3 series. The issue is a lot of American cars are getting pretty pricey, often putting them on par with "expensive" imports. Why would a 25 year old single yuppie buy a Mustang when he can pay 2k more and get a BMW 3 series with a few miles on it? Some American SUV's now are actually more expensive than these luxury imports. The new Explorer ranges from 30k-43k. You can get an X3 in my area for that range with under 20k miles.
The Mustang in question will have a 435 hp V8 and will blow that 4-cylinder BMW into the weeds.
The X3 is tiny compared to an Explorer. A comparably sized BMW costs a whole lot more.
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