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Most people couldn't tell the difference if their lives depended on it. I have electric on my 2015 Sonata and my 2016 Silverado. It works just fine. My 2015 Wrangler is hydraulic. It works just fine too. I really don't care which I have.
Read reviews of cars with EPS, by Car & Driver, etc.
You'll find plenty of complaints of "numb steering", lack of feel, poor centering, especially from 2004 - 2015 model years. It's steadily improving though.
Yeah my 2015 Kia Forte has the same Comfort/Normal/Sport settings. I just leave it in Sport all the time for some sort of feeling. Comfort is crazy, way too light.
GM got their electric steering from sabb when they owned them the Avalanche and the Malibu were the first to get it, and they had real problems at first with it.
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Yeah my 2015 Kia Forte has the same Comfort/Normal/Sport settings. I just leave it in Sport all the time for some sort of feeling. Comfort is crazy, way too light.
Forte! Lucky you! 🙂
Normal mode is fine for most off-highway driving for me. I use Sport on the highways, because it seems my eyes and steering wheel are connected: Because of how I'm 'wired', I tend to steer wherever I glance, and the extra weight of Sport mode mitigates that.
Read reviews of cars with EPS, by Car & Driver, etc.
You'll find plenty of complaints of "numb steering", lack of feel, poor centering, especially from 2004 - 2015 model years. It's steadily improving though.
Professional drivers may be able to tell the difference, but 99 percent of the American driving public can't.
Just make it adjustable and give the drivers a choice. With a Camaro SS you have the choice between Touring mode (rather feels like a Camry), Sports mode, Track mode and Snow/Ice mode. Track mode is a little hard and made my girlfriend too dizzy after several miles of windy roads, so I wasn't allowed to use it anymore.
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Just make it adjustable and give the drivers a choice. With a Camaro SS you have the choice between Touring mode (rather feels like a Camry), Sports mode, Track mode and Snow/Ice mode. Track mode is a little hard and made my girlfriend too dizzy after several miles of windy roads, so I wasn't allowed to use it anymore.
What IS track mode, and what about it made her dizzy?
By the way steering mode is being supplanted by drive mode lately, which makes adjustments to power train as well as steering. I prefer them to be separate, as all I want is to be able to change amount of steering assist, not tx shift points, etc.
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I recently drove a 2014 Chevy Cruze and 2013 Toyota RAV4. The Cruze definitely has EPS, and I *think* so does my friend's RAV.
On both, I find the steering to be too light for my taste, but the steering wheels center, and stay centered, reasonably, on both vehicles. No self-steering, like that 2011-13 Sonata, nor any wander. There is also modest weight build up of the steering wheel when turned left or right beyond 11 or 1 o'clock on both the Cruze and RAV, but not as much as on my 2015 Elantra even with Normal steering selected. Conversely, my old 2005 Malibu had zero streering heft across the wheel's entire range of motion, and modest return-to-center from a turn. Even with its relatively narrow 65-series tires.
I do find that careful adherence to the cold tire pressures recommended on the B-pillar load stickers also plays a big role in steering and road feel in cars with EPS. I personally find that inflating to more than 1-2psi over those figures makes the steering oversensitive, and a bit twitchy. Even inflation also makes a difference, so if your car calls for, IE: 33psi all around, that does not mean 32psi in one tire, 35 in another, and 31 in the others. Why I come across cars with pressures that unequal is beyond me! I even them all out, and the thing drives fine.
One note about my friend's 2013 RAV4: I drove it with 'Sport' mode on and off(you also must re-engage it every time you turn off that particular model and restart it), and felt zero difference in the steering feel, again, even after careful adjustment of the tire pressures(33psi all around). Next time I will drive it on the highway with Sport mode off, then engage it, and see if steering weight changes, or if acceleration or shift points change.
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EPS has gotten a lot better.
First experience with EPS was way back in 2004. It was really horrible.
I just feel that early on, the engineers overcalculated how much equivalent electrical power they needed to match the same effort with conventional power steering. And Hyundai just plain blew it with their first EPS models, for 2011-13. And never openly admitted they made some mistakes.
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