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I don't real see the all out takeover of Porsche by Volkswagen to be a good thing.
Volkswagen and Porsche have been rooted together for many years, the Porsche SUV's are siblings of the Tuareg/Q7 & Tiguan/Q5.
It might be a surprise for some here but besides the cheap Jetta and luxury Audi & Porsche, the Volkswagen Group also includes Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, SEAT, Å koda.
Also motorcycles under the Ducati name.
Also commercial vehicles under the MAN, Scania, Neoplan.
Maybe the award makes more sense since as you can see the VW group is most diverse automotive group (makes more then 10 million per year).
Some of the negative comments on this thread are coming from posters that only associate VW with the cheap Mexican built Jetta or old Rabbit while ignoring the high end (Bentley) and performance (Porsche, Lamborghini, Bugatti) ...
Some of the negative comments on this thread are coming from posters that only associate VW with the cheap Mexican built Jetta or old Rabbit while ignoring the high end (Bentley) and performance (Porsche, Lamborghini, Bugatti) ...
Yeah, bhat do they sell more of? Which owners care more about reliability -- the Jetta owners or the Bentley owners?
I don't real see the all out takeover of Porsche by Volkswagen to be a good thing.
It's said that Porsche builds some of the most reliable vehicles around for the most part.
Why VW still suffers from subpar reliability is a mystery.
Really it's a mystery as to why any manufacturer is putting out anything with poor reliability, the industry has had many years now to really get things right. Maybe it has to do with cost cutting or in house engineering, who knows.
Back in the mid 1980's, Mexico City, my step daughter bought a New Golf.
Car was peppy but the interior (crappola) as was the rest of the car. Put the engine and trans into a child's wagon....they would have a huge seller based upon HP and Fuel Economy.
Every car maker will have a bottom seller of their line along with the high dollar unit.....every mkt area is different.
Every car maker will have a bottom seller of their line along with the high dollar unit.....every mkt area is different.
Yeah I guess they don't really place huge emphasis on the reliability of their lower vehicles unlike Toyota who builds their Corolla to be nearly as reliable as a Lexus LS460.
Pfft. They dumbed down the Mk6 Jetta with drum brakes, no independent rear suspension, cheap interior to compete with Accords and Camrys? The reviews were so scathing of the cheapened Mk6 that it forced VW to actually do a refresh earlier than expected. I drove one and it felt like absolute garbage. Even my wife, who knows next to nothing about cars, commented that my MkIV Jetta felt like a much nicer car.
VW didn't do anything innovative other than trying to capture more US marketshare with Japanesed econoboxes.
It's said that Porsche builds some of the most reliable vehicles around for the most part.
Why VW still suffers from subpar reliability is a mystery.
Really it's a mystery as to why any manufacturer is putting out anything with poor reliability, the industry has had many years now to really get things right. Maybe it has to do with cost cutting or in house engineering, who knows.
You answered your own question, when you create an econo-box like the Jetta, engineers are forced to work with a low budget for components.
Since powertrain is their signature and used across other higher end cars (Passat, CC and even some Audi), Passat), that part is not touched. So you rarely hear complain on powertrain (engine and transmission) for VW but minor things in some cars (window motor, etc) since they are low cost components.
Of course luxury brands in their lineup use better components since engineers have a higher budget to select quality ones across.
Pfft. They dumbed down the Mk6 Jetta with drum brakes, no independent rear suspension, cheap interior to compete with Accords and Camrys? The reviews were so scathing of the cheapened Mk6 that it forced VW to actually do a refresh earlier than expected. I drove one and it felt like absolute garbage. Even my wife, who knows next to nothing about cars, commented that my MkIV Jetta felt like a much nicer car.
VW didn't do anything innovative other than trying to capture more US marketshare with Japanesed econoboxes.[ quote]
Actually they are quite innovative. They innovate new ways to be a PITA while you're working on them.
You answered your own question, when you create an econo-box like the Jetta, engineers are forced to work with a low budget for components.
Since powertrain is their signature and used across other higher end cars (Passat, CC and even some Audi), Passat), that part is not touched. So you rarely hear complain on powertrain (engine and transmission) for VW but minor things in some cars (window motor, etc) since they are low cost components.
Of course luxury brands in their lineup use better components since engineers have a higher budget to select quality ones across.
Are you sure about that? Tiguan and Touareg reliability problems go beyond minor electrical gremlins.
Don't other manufacturers' engineers have to work with low budget components as well?
After owning my Audi A4, I will never put my butt in the seat of anything created or owned by VW unless I am riding as a passenger. While I won't argue the looks of the car, the reliability was to this day the worst I have ever seen. That car literally spent more time on jackstands in my driveway than it ever did on the road. When it ran right, it was GREAT. But that was very few days and not a common occurrence. From vacuum problems, to cheap interior components failing, to fuel issues, coolant leaks, engine sludging, etc... you name it, and that poor car had it. Most before 100k miles.
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