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Old 09-23-2015, 03:41 PM
 
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Hey it's over and done time to move on nothing we can do about it complain all we want but it's ll over its settled.
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:25 AM
 
Location: East TX
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Do you understand the definition of "intent?" My guess is you don't. It is very important according to theUs Legal System.
VW intended to deceive the federal government. That is worthy of a huge fine. GM intended to deceive the general public, that is called politics.
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Old 09-24-2015, 10:27 AM
 
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VW intended to deceive the federal government. That is worthy of a huge fine. GM intended to deceive the general public, that is called politics.
But It won't be as big as you think VW is also politics remember they are located in Germany and they are an important allies of the USA.
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Old 09-24-2015, 10:38 AM
 
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VW intended to deceive the federal government. That is worthy of a huge fine. GM intended to deceive the general public, that is called politics.
I don't think this is a correct assessment. Whether one likes it or not the issue of intent and timing is critical from a legal perspective. The source of GM's ignition issue is an engineering error and the cover up took place once the engineering error was discovered after the fact. Very bad of course but its crucial to understand that the source of the problem isn't the cover up but the engineering error. In VW's case the source of their problem is the intent to break the law and the cover up essentially began in parallel in order to support the intent.
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Old 09-24-2015, 11:03 AM
 
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But It won't be as big as you think VW is also politics remember they are located in Germany and they are an important allies of the USA.
Curious what your stance would be if it were a Japanese manufacturer? You'd be the first one with pitchfork in hand.

Take off your rose colored glasses.
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Old 09-24-2015, 11:43 AM
 
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Curious what your stance would be if it were a Japanese manufacturer? You'd be the first one with pitchfork in hand.

Take off your rose colored glasses.
No you all think you know how big corporations are run man wake up they have the money and power. And with VW sales in the USA of only 4% they could care less about us. And with them being Germany's largest employer and a good part of their economy you can bet they will intervene on their behalf,this is possible going to turn political we need Germany ad a Allie in Europe. And in the case of Japan same thing they are an important Allie also we have many troops station their.
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Old 09-24-2015, 11:54 AM
 
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But It won't be as big as you think VW is also politics remember they are located in Germany and they are an important allies of the USA.
..how big do I think it will be?

In reality, I am willing to make a gentleman's wager that the fine for VW will be 4 or 5 times what GM paid. The fact is, regardless of the deaths, regardless of the intent, GM is the darling that will not pay the same fines for comparable offenses because it is egg on the face for the government.
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Old 09-24-2015, 11:58 AM
 
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No you all think you know how big corporations are run man wake up they have the money and power. And with VW sales in the USA of only 4% they could care less about us. And with them being Germany's largest employer and a good part of their economy you can bet they will intervene on their behalf,this is possible going to turn political we need Germany ad a Allie in Europe. And in the case of Japan same thing they are an important Allie also we have many troops station their.
This really doesn't answer his question regarding your bias against Japanese brands.
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Old 09-24-2015, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Oroville, California
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What difference does that make? Lives > arbitrary emissions numbers.
Intent is the difference between Charles Manson and your Aunt Bessie running over someone when she's too old to drive.
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Old 09-25-2015, 07:39 AM
 
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..how big do I think it will be?

In reality, I am willing to make a gentleman's wager that the fine for VW will be 4 or 5 times what GM paid. The fact is, regardless of the deaths, regardless of the intent, GM is the darling that will not pay the same fines for comparable offenses because it is egg on the face for the government.
VW has some of the largest law law firms in the USA that know EPA laws and they will work out a fine that both side can live with how much who knows.
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