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Old 08-28-2016, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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We have a good sense of which import sells here, why and who buys them. I have very little sense of what's going on in Europe. For example, Japan has totally dominated the US car market and done it for a long time. First through imports then local manufacturing. At the same time, Europeans have seen one fail product after another in the US even though in their home countries they are respected. Peugeot, Fiat, Renault and many others were vanquished in the US by the likes of Toyota and Honda but remain in business in Europe. Why? And now we have the Koreans coming up. How's Sonata doing in Europe, for example? I doubt it is anything like here.
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Old 08-28-2016, 07:55 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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The top three in order are VW, Ausi, and Skoda. The first US brand is Ford at #14, the first Japanese is Toyota at #28 followed by Nissan, Lexus and the Korean brands.



2016 (Q1) Europe: Best-Selling Carmakers, Brands and Models
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Old 08-28-2016, 07:56 PM
 
Location: San Ramon, Seattle, Anchorage, Reykjavik
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My experience, having lived as an American in London, Munich, Amsterdam, Paris, and Madrid is that most people buy Euro (which includes Ford) when young but it all changes when they are a pensioner (retired). Then they buy Japanese (usually a Honda Jazz or some such thing) to get reliability for their fixed income. Every Euro car I've had has had some kind of problem.
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Old 08-29-2016, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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The top three in order are VW, Ausi, and Skoda. The first US brand is Ford at #14, the first Japanese is Toyota at #28 followed by Nissan, Lexus and the Korean brands.



2016 (Q1) Europe: Best-Selling Carmakers, Brands and Models
Kind of makes my point. People swear by the Japanese cars over here yet they are struggling in Europe. Is there some hidden tariff or trade protection to keep the Japanese out?
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Old 08-29-2016, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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I wouldn't be surprised if it comes down to preferring interesting Euro design to preferring Japanese reliability for a vehicle that's, on average, driven 1/2 to 1/3 as many kilometers a year as a typical North American vehicle. As the saying goes: "In England 100 miles is a long distance; In America, 100 years is a long time ago."
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Old 08-29-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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Europe is not a country and when a German for example buys a Renault, then this car is considered foreign. It's not uncommon to buy foreign car brands, but the Japanese brands aren't doing that well. They were doing better 20 or 30 years ago.

Market share in the EU in the first half of 2016:

VW: 23.7%
PSA: 10.4%
Renault: 10.3%
Ford: 7.1% (Fords here in Europe aren't considered American, with the exception of the Ford Mustang)
FCA: 6.9%
Opel: 6.8% (owned by GM, but Opels aren't considered American)
BMW: 6.5%
Daimler: 5.9%
Toyota: 4.1%
Nissan: 3.7%
Hyundai: 3.2%
Kia: 2.9%
Volvo: 1.8%
Mazda: 1.5%
Jaguar Land Rover: 1.5%
Suzuki: 1.2%
Honda: 1.1%
Mitsubishi: 0.7%
Other Japanese: 0.2%


European: 80.9%
Japanese: 12.5%
Korean: 6.1%
Others: 0.5%

http://www.acea.be/uploads/press_rel...1606_FINAL.PDF


Checking the figures from the federal German automobile registration agency, they doesn't seem to sell Sonatas here.

Market share for the first half of 2016 for Germany:

VW: 20.0%
Audi: 9.2%
Mercedes: 9.0%
BMW: 7.8%
Opel: 7.4%
Ford: 7.1%
Skoda: 5.6%
Renault: 3.5%
Hyundai: 3.1%
Seat: 2.7%
Fiat: 2.4%
Nissan: 2.2%
Mazda: 1.9%
Toyota: 1.9%
Kia: 1.7%
Peugeto: 1.7%
Citroen: 1.5%
Dacia: 1.4%
Mini: 1.3%
Mitsubishi: 1.2%
Smart: 1.1%
Volvo: 1.1%
Honda: 0.9%
Porsche: 0.9%
Suzuki: 0.9%
Land Rover: 0.7%
Jeep: 0.4%
Jaguar: 0.3%
Subaru: 0.2%
Alfa Romeo: 0.1%
DS: 0.1% (never heard of this brand)
Infiniti: 0.1%
Lexus: 0.1%
Ssangyong: 0.1% (never heard of this brand)

Toyota has normally a good reputation in Germany, but they are doing not so well. Their market share was much higher in the past.

http://www.kba.de/SharedDocs/Publika...cationFile&v=3
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Old 08-29-2016, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Fascinating data, lukas. It raises more questions than it answers.
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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In Denmark, where my in-laws live, every brand is foreign.
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Old 08-29-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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DS: 0.1% (never heard of this brand)

Ssangyong: 0.1% (never heard of this brand)
DS is the new luxury brand from PSA (Peugeot/Citroen) and Ssangyong is a Korean brand of SUV's owned by Mahindra of India.
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Old 08-29-2016, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Europe, even within the Eurozone, is a lot of countries, cultures and economies. Germany is different than Italy and Italy is different than Romania. So, it would probably be more worthwhile to compare Germany, the UK, France to the US than try to lump the rest of them in. Furthermore, different countries have vastly different taxes and tariffs. Denmark is 180% taxation on vehicles.
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