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Old 10-10-2016, 06:34 AM
 
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That is because the UAW contracts of the past are what caused making a car in the U.S. to be so expensive.
Right.....


Assembly is such a small part of the whole process. Total vehicle labor is 21% , that includes R&D , so assembly is even less. Just keep blaming the UAW though, the corporations love that, it makes it even easier for them to send those jobs away.
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Old 10-10-2016, 07:04 AM
 
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Small cars have no margin so they have huge production cost pressure but have to keep fleet mileage high due to US govt. regulation (or so I understand, correct me if I'm wrong).
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Old 10-10-2016, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Assembly is such a small part of the whole process. Total vehicle labor is 21% , that includes R&D , so assembly is even less. Just keep blaming the UAW though, the corporations love that, it makes it even easier for them to send those jobs away.
Why do the move then?
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Old 10-10-2016, 09:30 AM
 
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Why do the move then?

Of course it is less expensive, but there is much more to it than a blanket statement like "it's the UAW's fault" , here is a good read.


Why U.S. Jobs Move Overseas



Raw materials
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Old 10-10-2016, 09:38 AM
 
Location: East TX
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Why do the move then?
As I posted earlier - Profitability of operating a production facility is a part of it. If they can make vehicles that are more three times as popular (trucks) and sell them at a higher profit margin (double) and save on shipping costs, tariffs, labor, and benefits here in the states then truck production will happen here. In order to make that happen they move the slower selling lower profit margin vehicles (small cars) that will sell in S America closer to that market and where they wont be charged the tariffs on export.


It's a good business move all the way around and requires $Billions less in infrastructure than trying to add production capacity here.
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Old 10-10-2016, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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Assembly is such a small part of the whole process. Total vehicle labor is 21% , that includes R&D , so assembly is even less. Just keep blaming the UAW though, the corporations love that, it makes it even easier for them to send those jobs away.
Except the jobs aren't going away, as the plants are being retooled to make other vehicles, keeping the jobs right where they are.
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Old 10-10-2016, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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The real losers here are the American working man/woman. Off to the walmart and fast food sector they go.

As was mentioned, the jobs aren't being lost. The workers still will have their jobs in those plants, just building other vehicles. So all the whining about "they're talking our jeorbs!" can just stop already, ok?
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Old 10-10-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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The real losers here are the American working man/woman. Off to the walmart and fast food sector they go.
Yeah...except no.
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Old 10-10-2016, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Cannes
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That's business...All about profit, you go where it makes sense financially. But no worries if Trump get elects he will bring jobs back and bankrupt companies
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Old 10-10-2016, 03:02 PM
 
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As was mentioned, the jobs aren't being lost. The workers still will have their jobs in those plants, just building other vehicles. So all the whining about "they're talking our jeorbs!" can just stop already, ok?
The US Domestic economy has lost plenty of jobs to overseas. However we have also gained jobs (in different industries). It is highly unclear, even to the experts, if free-trade agreements are to blame or it is just the onward march of globalization which probably couldn't be prevented even if we wanted to.

Sure you could put up barriers and protect certain domestic industries - like Cheese, Wine, cars, etc. but at the cost of making things more expensive, risking retaliation, and causing stock crashes for our Multinationals where the same thing happens overseas.

If labor intensive jobs like Customer Service, Accounting, Production Line Jobs, et. al. are cheaper elsewhere then elsewhere they will go.
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