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Old 10-24-2016, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Austin
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the cherokee has had its nuts cut off and trust me, the wrangler wont be far behind, trucks are so much closer to cars than actual trucks nowadays its sad. When I buy a truck I dont need leather and premium tunes and power everything, I need to the haul **** for as cheap as possible.
Fiat committed to keeping the Wrangler as it is, with solid axles and a frame. Makes sense because the offroad niche is shared with only ONE other SUV, the 4Runner. They'd be stupid to turn it into yet another crossover (YAC)
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Old 10-24-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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if the new jeep truck is anything like everything they make now it will be a useless mall crawler. they ruined the grand cherokee
IMO it is completely ruined..

I had one once and it was the biggest POS ever. Could not keep brakes on it - and in fact, the right front brake had a tendency to lock down sometimes when I was driving. The electric windows always needed repair, and the last straw was when the AC went out.. Some part needed to be replaced that was hard to get to. The dashboard had to be taken out and it was very labor intensive, they said - along with a $1700 quote. Took it the very next day and traded it.
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Old 10-24-2016, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Austin
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IMO it is completely ruined..

I had one once and it was the biggest POS ever. Could not keep brakes on it - and in fact, the right front brake had a tendency to lock down sometimes when I was driving. The electric windows always needed repair, and the last straw was when the AC went out.. Some part needed to be replaced that was hard to get to. The dashboard had to be taken out and it was very labor intensive, they said - along with a $1700 quote. Took it the very next day and traded it.
Getting a lemon doesn't mean the whole model is ruined
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Old 10-24-2016, 08:37 AM
 
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Getting a lemon doesn't mean the whole model is ruined
True, but I've heard other people complain though. They're nice cars though which is a shame..
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Old 10-24-2016, 08:43 AM
 
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the cherokee has had its nuts cut off and trust me, the wrangler wont be far behind, trucks are so much closer to cars than actual trucks nowadays its sad. When I buy a truck I dont need leather and premium tunes and power everything, I need to the haul **** for as cheap as possible.
The Grand Cherokee has always been a leather clad luxo 4x4. You're thinking of the Cherokee.
The Wrangler is probably the most primtive 4x4 on the road today. You can't even get a backup camera despite having a giant wheel blocking your rear view. The doors are held on by outside mounted hinges and fabric straps. Your busted pickup has fancier doors than that with luxury features such as hinge detents and stuff. 4 wheel low doesn't even have a synchro. Your busted truck probably has a fancy 4x4 electric switch unless it's from the 70's.

It doesn't matter, more people are buying them than ever in their history. The old dirty base model truck thing isn't a seller. Those people buy used trucks which manufacturers could care less about.
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Old 10-25-2016, 07:39 AM
 
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nahh the grand cherokee use to be based on the same chassis as the cherokee , just a few more options, then it morphed into a crossover pile of **** you have nowadays, its hardly able to go in a tamest offroad situation anymore.
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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nahh the grand cherokee use to be based on the same chassis as the cherokee , just a few more options, then it morphed into a crossover pile of **** you have nowadays, its hardly able to go in a tamest offroad situation anymore.
the Grand Cherokee (ZJ) originally was supposed to be the replacement for the (XJ) back when they were owned by AMC

The Grand Cherokee's origins date back to 1983 when American Motors Corporation (AMC) was designing a successor to the smaller Jeep Cherokee (XJ).

Three outside (non-AMC) designers—Larry Shinoda, Alain Clenet, and Giorgetto Giugiaro—were also under contract with AMC to create and build a clay model of the Cherokee XJ replacement, then known as the "XJC" project.
However, the basic design for the Cherokee's replacement was well under way by AMC's in-house designers and the 1989 Jeep Concept 1 show car foretold the basic design.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_G...ee#Development
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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nahh the grand cherokee use to be based on the same chassis as the cherokee , just a few more options, then it morphed into a crossover pile of **** you have nowadays, its hardly able to go in a tamest offroad situation anymore.
The Cherokee has been a unibody since the 1984 XJ model. The Grand Cherokee was based off of (and succeeded) this model, so it was always a unibody design.
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Austin
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nahh the grand cherokee use to be based on the same chassis as the cherokee , just a few more options, then it morphed into a crossover pile of **** you have nowadays, its hardly able to go in a tamest offroad situation anymore.
The current Grand Cherokee has independent suspension but it has a lot of ground clearance and is pretty capable offroad. It seems to have lost nothing by ditching the solid rear axle.
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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nahh the grand cherokee use to be based on the same chassis as the cherokee , just a few more options, then it morphed into a crossover pile of **** you have nowadays, its hardly able to go in a tamest offroad situation anymore.
I remember seeing an '05 Grand on the trail over Elephant Hill near Moab, Utah. It had no troubles on that trail or any of the others (Top of The World, Metal Masher, etc.).
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