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Old 11-12-2016, 04:37 AM
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Location: Concord, CA
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Trump is a con man. We will not be able to unilaterally abrogate NAFTA.

Tariffs will not change. Mexico will continue to build "American" cars.
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Old 11-12-2016, 05:45 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Was this a Ford?
Originally Posted by*ukrkoz*

I would not touch anything assembled in Mexico with 10 ft long pole and wearing thick rubber gloves. WORST ever POS I had was assembled there. They must have spit at every part they put into that car.

Was this a Ford?


No, it was a Generalization.
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:04 AM
 
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We will not be able to unilaterally abrogate NAFTA.
Technically you would be correct however there is more than one way to skin a cat. If we start shipping busloads of illegals to Mexico daily it won;t be very long before they will be willing to come to the table. We could pull a Castro and start with all the criminals.
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Old 11-12-2016, 06:44 AM
 
Location: West Des Moines
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Changes in the trade relationship between the US, Canada, and Mexico will be worked out by negotiators, and only afterward will Congress be involved in ratifying an agreement.

A change in the tax treatment of the accumulated earnings of US companies in the rest of the world, that will let those companies repatriate those assets, will be a far more effective way to get new factories built in the US.

These companies have already paid taxes in those other countries on their earnings, and currently the US hammers them with a very high tax rate; so that money is stashed outside the US, or invested in those other companies, and cumulatively it is at least a trillion dollars that could be invested in the US.

The regulatory environment in the US is a major reason why companies build factories outside our borders. So, changing the tax code and regulations will do more to return jobs to the US, than any negotiated or unilateral change in the terms of trade. And the repeal of Obamacare will encourage employers to hire more workers.
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Old 11-12-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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The regulatory environment in the US is a major reason why companies build factories outside our borders.


Absolutely obtuse and inaccurate.


This is a list and number of factories built in the USA just by foreign automakers.


Toyota - 4 factories in USA


Honda - 4 factories in USA


Nissan - 2 factories in USA


Hyundai - 1 factory in USA


KIA - 1 factory in USA


BMW - 1 factory in USA


Mercedes - 2 factories in USA.


I guess those foreign companies must have "danced" around the "regulations" !
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Old 11-12-2016, 05:49 PM
 
Location: West Des Moines
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Absolutely obtuse and inaccurate.


This is a list and number of factories built in the USA just by foreign automakers.
There are reasons why some foreign-based companies build plants in the US, and reasons why some US-based companies build plants outside the US. The regulatory environment in the US is not especially attractive to companies like Toyota and Mercedes, but they view the positives outweighing the negatives. This does not apply to all companies, foreign or domestic.
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Old 11-12-2016, 07:08 PM
 
Location: The Woodlands
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Trump is a con man. We will not be able to unilaterally abrogate NAFTA.
Tariffs will not change..
There is an old business saying, only 10 things are set in stone, everything is negotiable.
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Old 11-12-2016, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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Absolutely obtuse and inaccurate.


This is a list and number of factories built in the USA just by foreign automakers.


Toyota - 4 factories in USA


Honda - 4 factories in USA


Nissan - 2 factories in USA


Hyundai - 1 factory in USA


KIA - 1 factory in USA


BMW - 1 factory in USA


Mercedes - 2 factories in USA.


I guess those foreign companies must have "danced" around the "regulations" !

Add to this:
GM - 12 factories in USA
Ford - 8 factories in USA
FCA - 6 factories in USA


Locating factories here is based on economics and utilization.
If it's unprofitable or under-utilized, it goes.
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Old 11-13-2016, 05:35 AM
 
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Absolutely obtuse and inaccurate.


This is a list and number of factories built in the USA just by foreign automakers.


Toyota - 4 factories in USA


Honda - 4 factories in USA


Nissan - 2 factories in USA


Hyundai - 1 factory in USA


KIA - 1 factory in USA


BMW - 1 factory in USA


Mercedes - 2 factories in USA.


I guess those foreign companies must have "danced" around the "regulations" !
What they danced around is the legacy pension issues the big three have. Even if they are paying the exact same salary and benefits the labor costs are far cheaper for a foreign company. Last estimate I read was $2k per car more for US company. I would imagine this is also one of the reasons the big three are outsourcing.
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Old 11-13-2016, 06:01 AM
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Location: Concord, CA
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What they danced around is the legacy pension issues the big three have. Even if they are paying the exact same salary and benefits the labor costs are far cheaper for a foreign company. Last estimate I read was $2k per car more for US company. I would imagine this is also one of the reasons the big three are outsourcing.
One of the biggest costs of manufacturing in the USA is healthcare expense.

The other countries such as Japan or Canada have universal national healthcare. They do not directly penalize the auto companies.
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