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if that's true, then take away the subsidies (since they are more than the subsidies for EVs) and see what really happens. If it's not much, then those subsidies weren't needed and we can spend those billions on more important things.
Also take away all military spending for assistance to Saudi Arabia and the like to get us out of the allies oil lands. See what happens to oil speculation prices then.
Remember, gas prices (based on oil prices) swing wildly on speculation of SLIGHT oil supply interruptions, and ANY talk of reduction in ability to get oil. The price varies MUCH wider than the simple math you tried to make it. If it was as simple as what you make it out to be, then we wouldn't have seen a $.60 increase in regular gas prices here in MD due to the storm in Texas. Especially when there was no shortage of gas here and the refineries still ran. No, it really doesn't work the way you propose it does.
Oil prices haven't budged maybe but a few pennies per barrel since Harvey. What is impacting gasoline price at the pump is the crack spread because of a loss in refining capability. The major pipeline supplying fuel to the Southeast has been shut down as well meaning a general lack of supply.
I totally agree those subsidies for oil and gas aren't needed. They are a drop in the bucket. But politically untouchable. Yes it's BS but you don't want to be known as they guy who raised gas prices.
As far as military spending goes the reason the US spends so much in that part of the world is to secure our energy needs. As more electric cars come online we won't need them as much. It will be a great day when the only oil needed is used to supply heavy equipment/ships/aircraft as we can easily supply all of that.
Just like all things in political land the inertia is for military spending and there are entrenched interests and stakeholders shaping our policies. The US and world needs access to inexpensive energy to keep the economy going and the US is the main world player that allows for that.
if that's true, then take away the subsidies (since they are more than the subsidies for EVs) and see what really happens. If it's not much, then those subsidies weren't needed and we can spend those billions on more important things.
Also take away all military spending for assistance to Saudi Arabia and the like to get us out of the allies oil lands. See what happens to oil speculation prices then.
Remember, gas prices (based on oil prices) swing wildly on speculation of SLIGHT oil supply interruptions, and ANY talk of reduction in ability to get oil. The price varies MUCH wider than the simple math you tried to make it. If it was as simple as what you make it out to be, then we wouldn't have seen a $.60 increase in regular gas prices here in MD due to the storm in Texas. Especially when there was no shortage of gas here and the refineries still ran. No, it really doesn't work the way you propose it does.
Leave the military out of it. We're not bombing ISIS and moving battle groups to North Korea because Big Oil told us so. Either way the military is a shared benefit. That's like saying paying for police and firefighters is a waste of money because your house never catches fire and never gets broken into.
EV subsidies however benefit the owner and nobody else. They don't even pay to maintain the roads through gas taxes.
Wow they are a lot more on the east coast, around $3k more for a comparable model. Kinda ridiculous.
At those west coast prices they're practically throw away cars!
The S model that was $7k isn't a $40k model. That is the base model with an MSRP of under $30k IIRC. Many people were able to purchase them for mid-teens with the combo federal tax credit, state/local tax credit, and energy company credits. Still bad in deprecation but nothing like what you're seeing on paper.
Still looks to be a very good deal for someone wanting a commuter for little money.
The poster is a libertarian so you're probably speaking to the choir.
I would argue however that tax credits on fossil fuels benefits everyone while EVs only benefits the buyer.
Even organic asparagus is farmed and shipped via fossil fuels. It would be impossible to live fossil fuel free.
Most seem to like subsidies when they are benefiting. Not so much when it's someone else.
Leave the military out of it. We're not bombing ISIS and moving battle groups to North Korea because Big Oil told us so. Either way the military is a shared benefit. That's like saying paying for police and firefighters is a waste of money because your house never catches fire and never gets broken into.
EV subsidies however benefit the owner and nobody else. They don't even pay to maintain the roads through gas taxes.
In many places they pay a higher registration fee to make up the difference.
Oil prices haven't budged maybe but a few pennies per barrel since Harvey. What is impacting gasoline price at the pump is the crack spread because of a loss in refining capability. The major pipeline supplying fuel to the Southeast has been shut down as well meaning a general lack of supply.
I totally agree those subsidies for oil and gas aren't needed. They are a drop in the bucket. But politically untouchable. Yes it's BS but you don't want to be known as they guy who raised gas prices.
As far as military spending goes the reason the US spends so much in that part of the world is to secure our energy needs. As more electric cars come online we won't need them as much. It will be a great day when the only oil needed is used to supply heavy equipment/ships/aircraft as we can easily supply all of that.
Just like all things in political land the inertia is for military spending and there are entrenched interests and stakeholders shaping our policies. The US and world needs access to inexpensive energy to keep the economy going and the US is the main world player that allows for that.
Between Somalia, South Korea, Afghanistan, and Iraq/Syria and all the other places we have troops, which of those are energy related?
Have a link to it? I'm surprised it's that low, the 2013's and 14's in my area are $11-$14k.
Keep in mind there are multiple trim levels too.
Best value in EVs these days is a used Fiat 500e.
I just looked into the 500e. Man what a steal. Looks like it would be a blast. Way better deal than those NEVs.
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