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Old 11-09-2017, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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There's that word again - 'regulation'. Try 'standardization'!

Regulation applies to types of glass used, airbags, corner markers, stuff like that.
Won’t happen it’s not cost effective because it cost more to put a sunroof in a car. You surmise to much and for the record you can still get crank windows so you’re statement about power windows is standard is wrong, you are paying for them as a option. And yes sunroof’s are regulated by government crash standards for roll over crashes.
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Old 11-09-2017, 02:48 PM
 
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Probably had to pay extra for factory delete!
Lots of cars don't have sunroofs, you specifically mentioned 3 brands that cannot be built without them and I showed you that you were wrong. Sunroofs are luxury items and luxury brands tend to have them but I don't see them being standard on every car.

I don't use a sunroof much, my last two new cars (2015/2016) do not have them but both models more frequently have them than not.
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Old 11-09-2017, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Our UK rental Mercedes earlier this year was sunroof-free if folks want another data point.

Wish it made sense for my famly to buy one of those because it was such a fun little car on narrow Welsh roadways.
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Old 11-09-2017, 03:39 PM
 
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Won’t happen it’s not cost effective because it cost more to put a sunroof in a car. You surmise to much and for the record you can still get crank windows so you’re statement about power windows is standard is wrong, you are paying for them as a option. And yes sunroof’s are regulated by government crash standards for roll over crashes.
The cost in making cars optioned similiarly can actually offset the cost of the actual option if it’s popular enough. While it cost more to use a sunroof instead of blank steel, the fact that you can tool a factory for just one big option instead of two added to the added economies of scale benefit can possibly mean the option cost less in the end if you make it standard.
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Old 11-09-2017, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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The cost in making cars optioned similiarly can actually offset the cost of the actual option if it’s popular enough. While it cost more to use a sunroof instead of blank steel, the fact that you can tool a factory for just one big option instead of two added to the added economies of scale benefit can possibly mean the option cost less in the end if you make it standard.
You can’t tool a factory to put in sunroofs on different cars on one line. Assembly lines are not set up to just assemble one type of cars, if that were the case than GM or Ford would have only one plant to make all their vehicles. Vehicles are made on assembly lines especially set up for certain models. Have you ever seen a assembly plant i worked in a assembly plant and every plant is set up different to assemble different modules. Your logic to only have one plant to put sunroofs on all vehicles would not work. You can’t put a Cadillac on the same line as a Chevy Cruze.
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Old 11-09-2017, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Removing a snake out of the neighbor's washing machine
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Lots of cars don't have sunroofs, you specifically mentioned 3 brands that cannot be built without them and I showed you that you were wrong. Sunroofs are luxury items and luxury brands tend to have them but I don't see them being standard on every car.

I don't use a sunroof much, my last two new cars (2015/2016) do not have them but both models more frequently have them than not.
Here in CT and NY they are present in nearly every Camry, Rav4, Accord and CRV from the last 10 years. And those models can hardly be called 'luxury'.
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Old 11-09-2017, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Removing a snake out of the neighbor's washing machine
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Won’t happen it’s not cost effective because it cost more to put a sunroof in a car. You surmise to much and for the record you can still get crank windows so you’re statement about power windows is standard is wrong, you are paying for them as a option. And yes sunroof’s are regulated by government crash standards for roll over crashes.
Again, you still don't get 'regulated'. Yes, by regulation the government mandates minimum integrity standards, etc, for sunroofs, but does not mandate their installation in every motor vehicle. See the difference? Maybe?

Respondents just prior to me explained the economics of making something standard in all vehicles of a line, vs as an option. Just as power windows and keyless entry became standard in the vast majority of motor vehicles, so will sunroofs.
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Old 11-09-2017, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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Just as power windows and keyless entry became standard in the vast majority of motor vehicles, so will sunroofs.

I think it was the original Flo that said " When Donkeys Fly" lol
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Old 11-09-2017, 08:48 PM
 
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There's that word again - 'regulation'. Try 'standardization'!

Regulation applies to types of glass used, airbags, corner markers, stuff like that.
Thanks, Cap. I was merely mocking sunroofs as safety devices, equating them in that sense to RVCs.
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Old 11-09-2017, 08:53 PM
 
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Just as power windows and keyless entry became standard in the vast majority of motor vehicles, so will sunroofs.
No, much like leather, dual-zone AC, navigation, wood trim and other non-essential luxury items they really will not.

Mod cut. Moonroofs and sunroofs are HUGE revenue generators for OEMs, even at the currently-low (overall) take rates. Manufacturers aren't going to give them away and a vast majority of people won't pay for them. So you've got quite the gap to bridge on your path to standardization.

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