Fiat Chrysler Automobiles bids adieu to diesel, according to a recent report. (Germany, trucks)
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When I replace my Grand Cherokee I would consider the diesel version.
That being said- in passenger cars hybrids and smaller displacement turbocharged engines have really made up a lot of ground on the fuel mileage front. And the durability of the diesel engine is becoming a moot point since the rest of the car is typically falling apart with modern manufacturing. The mother of a high school friend had an 80s Mercedes diesel that basically lasted the full length of my friends education- elementary school through college. One of my current friends had a similar model (which we converted to grease...) that only died about 4 years ago. I am not seeing many current models that will live up to that engine life aside from Toyota trucks.
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"FCA should keep diesel options for its commercial vehicles and U.S. pickups, such as the high-selling Ram 1500."
Just the cars and mostly European models. Diesel is going away in Europe across most makes due to upcoming bans on it. Ironic after propping it up with favorable tax rates that made diesel cheaper in Europe.
Until they figured out that the particulate pollution kills a lot of people. They’d rather not support that now that they know.
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When I replace my Grand Cherokee I would consider the diesel version.
That being said- in passenger cars hybrids and smaller displacement turbocharged engines have really made up a lot of ground on the fuel mileage front. And the durability of the diesel engine is becoming a moot point since the rest of the car is typically falling apart with modern manufacturing. The mother of a high school friend had an 80s Mercedes diesel that basically lasted the full length of my friends education- elementary school through college. One of my current friends had a similar model (which we converted to grease...) that only died about 4 years ago. I am not seeing many current models that will live up to that engine life aside from Toyota trucks.
"FCA should keep diesel options for its commercial vehicles and U.S. pickups, such as the high-selling Ram 1500."
Just the cars and mostly European models. Diesel is going away in Europe across most makes due to upcoming bans on it. Ironic after propping it up with favorable tax rates that made diesel cheaper in Europe.
Diesel produces less CO2 hence the reason they were incentivizing it's use. It also produces more particulate and other emissions that can harm your health which is a huge problem in dense urban areas if it's the primary fuel.
Here in the US the emission standards are based on fleet averages, you need to sell a lot of low emission cars to sell larger vehicles like pickups. Small diesel engines simply don't fit into that scheme because of the higher emissions.
Diesel is on decline because of the EPA fines and EV taking over the industry. It won't be long when we'll be seeing EV make it to trucks and commercial buses and that will be the end of big oil.
Diesel produces less CO2 hence the reason they were incentivizing it's use. It also produces more particulate and other emissions that can harm your health which is a huge problem in dense urban areas if it's the primary fuel.
Here in the US the emission standards are based on fleet averages, you need to sell a lot of low emission cars to sell larger vehicles like pickups. Small diesel engines simply don't fit into that scheme because of the higher emissions.
You guys are missing the point. Diesels no longer emit those pollutants due to the new aftertreatment urea-based systems on them now.
Those same aftertreatment systems, which add cost, weight, complexity and quality issues to the cars is the main reason diesel is challenged now. It costs WAY more to build a diesel car than it used to (due to the expensive aftertreatment components) not to mention you have to do a whole bunch of special package engineering to fit the DPF/SCR equipment (including the DEF tank) in the car somewhere.
It’s no longer as simple as designing a gas car and just dropping a different engine in there. Totally different ballgame now...
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