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The AVs in AZ are being tested as a system. The particular capability that failed here however was the detection and identification of targets such as people, animals other vehicles - basically anything that is or could be a threat to or from the AV. That technology has been tested for years in billions of live instances and simulations. So this particular piece of the system would be expected to work pretty much flawlessly. That is what makes the UBER failure so devastating.
The UBER failure is pretty much in the unthinkable category. So the whole industry is awaiting the explanation of how it could have occurred.
And for Cloudy Dayz that the system is still under test does not mean that it has not been well tested. It has been tested in various ways for years. Various components have been extensively tested. Many are on the fourth or fifth generation. The testing now is to demonstrate that the whole system works well together and to uncover any details missed in the prior testing or in the interaction between the system and the real world.
And the AVs don't "learn" the route. That is done by mapping the area as is done for google maps and such but at an even higher level of detail. And as the AVs operate in an area they feed back discrepancies between their observations and their maps. And that is a continuing process as it is on other map applications.
The Tesla system is somewhat different. It relies primarily on optical cameras and lacks the LIDAR present in the other systems. There is an issue in the industry as to whether the Tesla system can be used to implement a level 4 or level 5 system.
The AVs in AZ are being tested as a system. The particular capability that failed here however was the detection and identification of targets such as people, animals other vehicles - basically anything that is or could be a threat to or from the AV. That technology has been tested for years in billions of live instances and simulations. So this particular piece of the system would be expected to work pretty much flawlessly. That is what makes the UBER failure so devastating.
The UBER failure is pretty much in the unthinkable category. So the whole industry is awaiting the explanation of how it could have occurred.
And for Cloudy Dayz that the system is still under test does not mean that it has not been well tested. It has been tested in various ways for years. Various components have been extensively tested. Many are on the fourth or fifth generation. The testing now is to demonstrate that the whole system works well together and to uncover any details missed in the prior testing or in the interaction between the system and the real world.
And the AVs don't "learn" the route. That is done by mapping the area as is done for google maps and such but at an even higher level of detail. And as the AVs operate in an area they feed back discrepancies between their observations and their maps. And that is a continuing process as it is on other map applications.
The Tesla system is somewhat different. It relies primarily on optical cameras and lacks the LIDAR present in the other systems. There is an issue in the industry as to whether the Tesla system can be used to implement a level 4 or level 5 system.
That makes me very nervous and is one reason I'm always calling for more regulation of these cars.
It shouldn't be up to Tesla or Uber or Google to put any car they wish on the roads and test it. If the car lacks what I think is a basic feature of AV's (radar) I don't think it ought to be on the road. Essentially, you are saying that with the Tesla system its completely up to the cameras to pick up all moving objects and direct the car to stop or act accordingly.
The fact that Tesla is allowed to put such cars on the road tells me that state and federal government is simply the captive of big business. Government should work for ordinary citizens, not big business.
That makes me very nervous and is one reason I'm always calling for more regulation of these cars.
It shouldn't be up to Tesla or Uber or Google to put any car they wish on the roads and test it. If the car lacks what I think is a basic feature of AV's (radar) I don't think it ought to be on the road. Essentially, you are saying that with the Tesla system its completely up to the cameras to pick up all moving objects and direct the car to stop or act accordingly.
The fact that Tesla is allowed to put such cars on the road tells me that state and federal government is simply the captive of big business. Government should work for ordinary citizens, not big business.
Tesla is not proposing that it can be a level 4 or 5 system at this point in time. So it is simply a higher level cruise control requiring continuous monitoring by the driver.
It does have radar but mostly navigates from visual evidence...other cars, lane markings and such. It does not have LIDAR.
Tesla is not proposing that it can be a level 4 or 5 system at this point in time. So it is simply a higher level cruise control requiring continuous monitoring by the driver.
It does have radar but mostly navigates from visual evidence...other cars, lane markings and such. It does not have LIDAR.
Now we have to really worry about the batteries as well...
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A fatal crash and vehicle fire of a Tesla Inc Model X near Mountain View, California, last week has prompted a federal field investigation, the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board said on Tuesday, sparking a big selloff in Tesla stock.
In last week’s accident, it was unclear if Tesla’s automated control system was driving the car. The accident involved two other cars, the NTSB and police said. Tesla vehicles have a system called Autopilot that handles some driving tasks. The 38-year-old Tesla driver died at a nearby hospital shortly after the crash.
The California Highway Patrol said the electric-powered Tesla Model X crashed into a freeway divider on Friday and then was hit by a Mazda before colliding with an Audi.
The Tesla’s lithium batteries caught fire, and emergency officials consulted company engineers before determining how to extinguish the battery fire and move the vehicle safely. NTSB said the issues being examined include the post-crash fire and removing the vehicle from the scene.
In September, NTSB Chairman Robert Sumwalt said operational limitations in the Tesla Model S played a major role in a May 2016 crash in Florida that killed a driver using Autopilot. That crash raised questions about the safety of systems that can perform driving tasks for long stretches but cannot completely replace human drivers.
Tesla is not proposing that it can be a level 4 or 5 system at this point in time. So it is simply a higher level cruise control requiring continuous monitoring by the driver.
It does have radar but mostly navigates from visual evidence...other cars, lane markings and such. It does not have LIDAR.
Tesla essentially has a very advanced version of the adoptive cruise control. It does not claim that it is a self driving car. I believe it also has warnings for the driver that they should always be paying attention to the road...
Tesla essentially has a very advanced version of the adoptive cruise control. It does not claim that it is a self driving car. I believe it also has warnings for the driver that they should always be paying attention to the road...
Except it’s named “autopilot” and allows you to drive completely hands free for up to 2 minutes.
They only got more enthusiastic about the warnings to pay attention after a couple high profile accidents with it. Before then people were taking videos of themselves in the backseat with no driver up front.
And you can bet that the settlement included a non disclosure agreement, prohibiting the family from talking about the case.
Likely true but not relevant. The family knows nothing. What Uber does not want to have to do is discovery. Bet there are lots of fascinating emails and such inside Uber. Even the NTSB will have trouble penetrating the internal Uber discourse...which would be vulnerable in discovery. In fact the first thing the attorney is going to do is put Uber on notice to maintain its correspondence.
Tesla essentially has a very advanced version of the adoptive cruise control. It does not claim that it is a self driving car. I believe it also has warnings for the driver that they should always be paying attention to the road...
All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory, including Model 3, have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver.
.....The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat. For Superchargers that have automatic charge connection enabled, you will not even need to plug in your vehicle.
All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go. If you don’t say anything, the car will look at your calendar and take you there as the assumed destination or just home if nothing is on the calendar. Your Tesla will figure out the optimal route, navigate urban streets (even without lane markings), manage complex intersections with traffic lights, stop signs and roundabouts, and handle densely packed freeways with cars moving at high speed. When you arrive at your destination, simply step out at the entrance and your car will enter park seek mode, automatically search for a spot and park itself. A tap on your phone summons it back to you.
Please note that Self-Driving functionality is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval, which may vary widely by jurisdiction.
If it wasn’t for “regulatory approval” which can “vary widely by jurisdiction” it apparently would be live now. But Tesla does sincerely believe it has a Level 5 system on its hands (that they’re happy to charge you for now while they work out the kinks).
You would think highway safety would have the same regulatory strength as the FAA. There’s no reason a car can only be approved for a couple states at a time. It would be much more efficient to have all automakers convince one giant regulatory body instead of a random assortment.
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UBER has settled.
