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Old 04-17-2018, 01:53 AM
 
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Sad tragedy. A young life needlessly lost through a freak accident....and as much as he was killed by that...the sheer incompetence of government was a complicating factor in that lifesaving help was not dispatched due to multiple failures of protocol.

Didn't help matters that Cincinnati (by mayor's own admission) has an "out of date" 911 dispatch system.


How did an Ohio teen asphyxiate in his own car, and why couldn't - News, Weather, Sports, Toledo, OH


FWIU while other areas of Ohio have systems that work with cell phone companies/towers that can locate/pin point a caller into 911, Cincinnati's dispatch system is not up to that standard.


Any bets how fast they will be getting onto that project?
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Old 04-17-2018, 11:35 AM
 
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Didn't help matters that Cincinnati (by mayor's own admission) has an "out of date" 911 dispatch system.


How did an Ohio teen asphyxiate in his own car, and why couldn't - News, Weather, Sports, Toledo, OH


FWIU while other areas of Ohio have systems that work with cell phone companies/towers that can locate/pin point a caller into 911, Cincinnati's dispatch system is not up to that standard.


Any bets how fast they will be getting onto that project?
Even with that system, you need competent people. They knew he was in the school parking lot from the first phone call, but the deputy looked for him only 11 minutes before deciding it was a hoax. The second operator never passed on the info on what kind and color of van he was in, apparently thinking the same thing.

There are many articles on the flaws in this system, including being understaffed by over 30 dispatchers and operators, forcing the rest to work overtime. The second operator had many Facebook posts complaining about overtime. Not to excuse anyone, but unhappy employees do not do as good a job in general.
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Old 04-17-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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Still can't imagine how someone can get "crushed" by a car seat.
Leaning over the back of the seat, it released, trapping him in the well it stores in. Then became a mechanical boa constrictor basically.



https://www.cincinnati.com/videos/ne...ssey/33784919/
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Old 04-17-2018, 03:27 PM
 
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Unhappy 911 Fail nothing new

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Even with that system, you need competent people. They knew he was in the school parking lot from the first phone call, but the deputy looked for him only 11 minutes before deciding it was a hoax. The second operator never passed on the info on what kind and color of van he was in, apparently thinking the same thing.

There are many articles on the flaws in this system, including being understaffed by over 30 dispatchers and operators, forcing the rest to work overtime. The second operator had many Facebook posts complaining about overtime. Not to excuse anyone, but unhappy employees do not do as good a job in general.
It seems that too often 911 operators assume the caller does not know what they are talking about, or it's a hoax, if the nature of the call is unusual.

There was a tragic case in Colorado some years ago where a new bridge was under construction, but is was Saturday with no workers on site. Several callers tried reporting a girder that was dangling out of place, but 911 did not understand that. They did send a truck out to look for a "road sign falling on the old bridge". The crew never saw the girder beneath them, so nothing was done. 74 minutes later the girder fell and crushed a family in an SUV. It was later determined that one of the callers was a structural engineer who tried to explain to 911 what the problem was.

Here what I could find on net now about it from 2004.

"WARNING PRECEDED FALL, SAGGING I-70 GIRDER REPORTED 74 MINUTES BEFORE FATAL COLLAPSE
A motorist reported a sagging girder hanging under the C-470 bridge at Interstate 70 about 74 minutes before it collapsed and killed three people.But his message was misunderstood by a Colorado State Patrol dispatcher, and the road wasn't closed in time.State Patrol Maj. James Wolfinbarger, who dropped the bombshell at a Monday news conference, said the 911 call was received at 8:51 a.m. Saturday."The bridge at C-470 over I-70 looks like they hung a new I-beam girder"
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Old 04-17-2018, 03:34 PM
 
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It seems that too often 911 operators assume the caller does not know what they are talking about, or it's a hoax, if the nature of the call is unusual.

There was a tragic case in Colorado some years ago where a new bridge was under construction, but is was Saturday with no workers on site. Several callers tried reporting a girder that was dangling out of place, but 911 did not understand that. They did send a truck out to look for a "road sign falling on the old bridge". The crew never saw the girder beneath them, so nothing was done. 74 minutes later the girder fell and crushed a family in an SUV. It was later determined that one of the callers was a structural engineer who tried to explain to 911 what the problem was.

Here what I could find on net now about it from 2004.

"WARNING PRECEDED FALL, SAGGING I-70 GIRDER REPORTED 74 MINUTES BEFORE FATAL COLLAPSE
A motorist reported a sagging girder hanging under the C-470 bridge at Interstate 70 about 74 minutes before it collapsed and killed three people.But his message was misunderstood by a Colorado State Patrol dispatcher, and the road wasn't closed in time.State Patrol Maj. James Wolfinbarger, who dropped the bombshell at a Monday news conference, said the 911 call was received at 8:51 a.m. Saturday."The bridge at C-470 over I-70 looks like they hung a new I-beam girder"
Don't forget: Texas 911 operator accused of hanging up on callers: ‘Ain’t nobody got time for this’ | WGN-TV
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Old 04-21-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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Funny thing is yesterday she was put in jail for this
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Old 04-21-2018, 11:39 AM
 
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That's why I stay away from Hondas. Sure the engine is reliable, but the 3rd row seat kills kids.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling !!

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Sounds like a law suite to me. Seats are supposed to stay in place to keep passengers safe incase of an accident. There's no way it should fold like that from the weight of a 16 year old leaning on it without engaging some kind of lever.
Your middle name is suehappy?

If the seat lock is properly secured, this accident would never have happened!

Assuming you have your seatbelt on, but not properly tightened, and you get into an accident and get seriously hurt, do you sue the seatbelt manufacturer?
If your car door is not all the way closed and it opens during driving, do you blame the car manufacturer?

Sad that we live in such a time that the first thing we think of is suing somebody!
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Old 04-21-2018, 11:43 AM
 
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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One of the articles I read about this (can't find it now) mentioned something about Honda issuing a recall or service bulletin about the seats in this car, so they may have known it was a problem. Has anyone else seen that?

Important:
the items involved were NOT the 3rd-row seats but the 2nd-row seats!
That was a recall, and it had a warning how to do it correctly until they finished a timely change of design.

But ..., in defence of Honda, they did state:

“This issue will not occur if a seat is properly latched.”

http://hondanews.com/releases/statem...-honda-odyssey

http://owners.honda.com/service-main...ns%20Final.pdf

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Old 04-21-2018, 12:06 PM
 
Location: East Side of ATL
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The officers responding to Kyle's Plush pleading 911 call never got out of their cruiser and appeared to only search one of the three parking lots around his school, at least while their body-worn cameras were turned on.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/new...t-h/533313002/
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Old 04-21-2018, 02:03 PM
 
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling !!



Your middle name is suehappy?

If the seat lock is properly secured, this accident would never have happened!

Assuming you have your seatbelt on, but not properly tightened, and you get into an accident and get seriously hurt, do you sue the seatbelt manufacturer?
If your car door is not all the way closed and it opens during driving, do you blame the car manufacturer?

Sad that we live in such a time that the first thing we think of is suing somebody!
The lawsuit will be against the city for the many 911 and police dept. failures that occurred here, Honda would be secondary if at all. But the city has already admitted their failures here and will probably just settle with them.
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