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Old 06-06-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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Then buy an EV that can. The new Jaguar EV:
Most of us in the U.S. would NEVER consider purchasing anything produced by Jaguar. They make great LOOKING vehicles, but that is where their greatness seems to end.

 
Old 06-06-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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Most of us in the U.S. would NEVER consider purchasing anything produced by Jaguar. They make great LOOKING vehicles, but that is where their greatness seems to end.
Even after Ford acquired and the 5.0 in the Jags is the same as in the Mustangs?
 
Old 06-06-2018, 10:20 AM
 
Location: London
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You don't need an app, or to plan, or to do anything other than get in and drive an Accord.
You do not need that with an EV either, but it is there to make life easier.

Not that one again..."the overall grid would collapse due to demand."
Tony Seba goes on about "peaker" power stations, and that none will be built. Interesting....


As the above video shows, Tesla built a grid battery storage facility to eliminate building a natural gas "peaker" power station in "88 days". It is a matter of running the existing generating stations at full capacity, or near to, and storing the surplus electricity to cope with peaks. Power stations tend to be at their maximum efficiency at near to or at full electricity generation.

Companies are paid to use electricity as at times too much is being generated. This surplus can be stored not wasted.

The head of National Grid in the UK said no more generating capacity needs to be built if the country went over to all EVs in a short time period. Petroleum refining uses a massive level of electricity to produce the fuels. This generation would simply transfer over to charging EVs directly.

It has been suggested that where practicable, government buildings, including schools, should incorporate solar panels, with all new buildings having them incorporated into the design, coupled to storage batteries. Here is a school that produced 'more' electricity than what it used.
"Turning homes into mini power stations could help reduce energy bills by more than 60 per cent, according to a new report."

"The concept has already been deployed on a building in Swansea, where an ‘Active Classroom’ combines integrated photovoltaics (PV) and battery storage with solar heat collection. Saltwater batteries can power the classroom for two days, and over six months of operation the building has produced more energy than it has used."

https://www.theengineer.co.uk/report...ower-stations/
All this can easily be implemented quite quickly and quicker than building new 'peaker' power stations. It should result in the decommissioning of fossil fuel power stations.

It is all about storage, 'buffering'. The utilities of: water, gas and sewage have done this for a few hundred years to even out distribution flow. Electricity could only buffer using water, now batteries are capable of storing enough electricity for peak grid use . The UK has a few grid battery storage facilities. The latest facility was opened in Barrow.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 10:24 AM
 
Location: London
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Most of us in the U.S. would NEVER consider purchasing anything produced by Jaguar. They make great LOOKING vehicles, but that is where their greatness seems to end.
They make very well made cars as well. High quality and always were. Ask Jay Leno, who is a massive fan. Next you will write that Lucas electrical systems never worked either, but Rolls Royce used them who only fit the best. tut, tut.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 10:28 AM
 
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This is NOT happening in the U.S.
It is, look at Tesla even Chevy with its Bolt. The US will keep up with Europe and China in the EV charge.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 10:36 AM
 
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Look at the facts. In 2017 the last full year for sales, only 1.13% of vehicles sold were EVs
It is best to look at the trends. Whether you want to or not, you will be driving an EV and sooner than you think.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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The very first electric-motor goes way back, 1830 or so. Electric-vehicles, yeah, people have been tinkering and using them for well over 100 years........a game-changer in technology is going to be needed to make these things even close to being as popular as ICE-vehicles.

And as a side note, the fact about quick-charging a battery is, it is much harder on a battery when compared to slow or moderate charging. Those neato quick-chargers for EVs, yeah, you are reducing the lifespan of those very spendy batteries when you quick-charge. The higher the current passed through any battery, the more heat generated in the battery and the harder it is on the internal structure.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 11:09 AM
 
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The very first electric-motor goes way back, 1830 or so. Electric-vehicles, yeah, people have been tinkering and using them for well over 100 years........a game-changer in technology is going to be needed to make these things even close to being as popular as ICE-vehicles.
Did you look at the links and videos I gave? If not I advise you to do so. I never made any of it up and never made the links or videos. The game changer is here, and that is battery range. EVs are doing over 330 miles on one charge, BMW, et al, are bringing out EVs with over 350 miles range. That is fine but the price has to be right. The price of EVs is falling and the range increasing.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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He is an idiot. It is not going to happen. Ten years from now electric cars will still be less than 10% of new vehicle sales.

The reason why is simply due to having to charge them and their range. Unless they get them to where you can drive them 500 miles with the lights on, radio that actually sounds good on, you can charge your phone, run the air conditioning wide open and roll the windows up and down without having to stop to charge, it is not going to happen. Manufacturers are claiming ranges in excess of 300 miles but just like your cell phone battery, every time you charge it, it lasts a little less each time. A car with a 300 mile range brand new, probably has a range of around 240 miles after 6 to 12 months. The next hurdle is if sales did take off, there will be problems with having adequate charging stations in convenient locations. If hotels were to install them at almost every parking spot, they would tack on an exorbitant fee to access them. You can refill the gas tank on regular cars in a matter of minutes and be back on your way....that would be a requirement before I would even remotely consider buying an electric vehicle.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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Did you look at the links and videos I gave? If not I advise you to do so. I never made any of it up and never made the links or videos. The game changer is here, and that is battery range. EVs are doing over 330 miles on one charge, BMW, et al, are bringing out EVs with over 350 miles range. That is fine but the price has to be right. The price of EVs is falling and the range increasing.
Is that 330 miles in the real world, or some track where they do 55mph with no a/c or heat, and no hills?
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