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I would generally agree but you really need to define your "truck." Is it a dually with a stiff ride, broken AC, diesel fumes wafting through the interior while some loose 2x4s and junk rolls around in the bed or is it a bone stock 1/2 ton with AC seats riding on wide 20's just cruising down the highway. Both are trucks but 2 way different experiences.
True enough, however, even your "bone stock 1/2 ton" with its higher center-of-gravity can never ever compare to a car when it comes to agility and handling.
Some things can be compensated for but the laws of physics are not one.
IMHO, they SUCK because they handle like crap compared to a car.
They're NOT a car.... For everyday normal driving where one isn't taking spirited laps around the roundabouts there is no noticeable difference. If you intend to autocross on your way to work then no.... a truck won't easily do that. But let's be honest... how many people drive to work like they're in a rallycross race? Probably not many.
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I've driven pickups for work and I can feel the difference in terms of their center-of-gravity compared to a car and I hate it because it feels "tippy" to me.
If you're alright with it, then more power to you.
Personally, I hate it but to each his/her own.
Yes, they sit higher and as such the center of gravity is higher. If you only drove a truck on occasion then you haven't had much experience with them. I've driven trucks and SUVs on a daily basis for over a decade. I don't notice a tippy feeling because I know the limits of my vehicles and have a feel for how they drive. I guess subconsciously I adjust my driving habits because of it and don't notice any issues. I will say however, you won't drive a large SUV or truck like a Toyota Corolla because the handling characteristics are different. Not necessarily worse, but just different.
True enough, however, even your "bone stock 1/2 ton" with its higher center-of-gravity can never ever compare to a car when it comes to agility and handling.
Some things can be compensated for but the laws of physics are not one.
Just saying.
They're NOT.A.CAR. Good Lord stop trying to compare the handling characteristics to a car. They are completely different beasts.
Trucks and SUVs can be made to handle even better with some suspension upgrades, but at the end of the day it's still the same vehicle. I upgraded my shocks to Bilstein 5100s to give me a smoother ride and beefed up my steering components to give me a tighter feel. The handling was much improved but it is still a truck. Drive it as such and everything will be fine.
Much moreso than older trucks and SUVs, yes. You argued that diesels are slow. I showed evidence that they have improved drastically over the past decade or so. Then showed that a properly tuned diesel will flat out scare you. After that, your argument turned to tuned diesels being ticking timebombs. That isn't the case if they're built properly.
Just face it. You don't like the fact that a 9k+ tuned diesel truck (Diesel trucks are way over 7k lbs) can hang with a lot of sports cars on the road. It is what it is. Oh.... and get pretty respectable fuel mileage doing so. I average 18.5 MPG mixed driving. I've seen as high as 20mpg on long interstate trips.
Let it go already. You don't have to like them, but trying to chastise an entire section of the population who actually enjoy and use them.
True enough, however, even your "bone stock 1/2 ton" with its higher center-of-gravity can never ever compare to a car when it comes to agility and handling.
Some things can be compensated for but the laws of physics are not one.
Just saying.
If you're not trying to road race on your way to work you won't have a noticeable difference in a modern truck or SUV. I drive the same twisty backroads in my sports car, commuter car, and SUV. If I'm not going over the speed limit, they handle on par with each other. Can the sports car go much faster, safely? Yes, but for real people in lawful situations, it's. just. not. an. issue. And in a sport SUV, like a Range Rover Sport, BMW X5M or X6M, Porsche Cayenne or Macan, then the limits are much higher than the law allows, and on par with their sport sedans as track tests have shown.
Much moreso than older trucks and SUVs, yes. You argued that diesels are slow. I showed evidence that they have improved drastically over the past decade or so. Then showed that a properly tuned diesel will flat out scare you. After that, your argument turned to tuned diesels being ticking timebombs. That isn't the case if they're built properly.
Just face it. You don't like the fact that a 9k+ tuned diesel truck (Diesel trucks are way over 7k lbs) can hang with a lot of sports cars on the road. It is what it is. Oh.... and get pretty respectable fuel mileage doing so. I average 18.5 MPG mixed driving. I've seen as high as 20mpg on long interstate trips.
Let it go already. You don't have to like them, but trying to chastise an entire section of the population who actually enjoy and use them.
1) A diesel truck is not going to "hang with a lot of sports cars on the road". Are you high?
2) If you consider "18.5 mpg mixed driving" and "20 mpg on long interstate trips" as being "pretty respectable fuel mileage", then I guess you have pretty low expectations concerning mileage.
Much moreso than older trucks and SUVs, yes. You argued that diesels are slow. I showed evidence that they have improved drastically over the past decade or so. Then showed that a properly tuned diesel will flat out scare you. After that, your argument turned to tuned diesels being ticking timebombs. That isn't the case if they're built properly.
Just face it. You don't like the fact that a 9k+ tuned diesel truck (Diesel trucks are way over 7k lbs) can hang with a lot of sports cars on the road. It is what it is. Oh.... and get pretty respectable fuel mileage doing so. I average 18.5 MPG mixed driving. I've seen as high as 20mpg on long interstate trips.
Let it go already. You don't have to like them, but trying to chastise an entire section of the population who actually enjoy and use them.
1) A diesel truck is not going to "hang with a lot of sports cars on the road". Are you high?
Goes to show how little you know about current diesel technology. Do some research and report back.
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2) If you consider "18.5 mpg mixed driving" and "20 mpg on long interstate trips" as being "pretty respectable fuel mileage", then I guess you have pretty low expectations concerning mileage.
For a 9.5k lb + truck, 18.5 mpg is extraordinary. Most diesel trucks now see 12-14 mpg. A lot of V8 gas burner 1/2 tons will see 12-15 mpg. So yes, that's pretty respectable mileage.
Nothing left to dispute, right? Facts are facts. Sorry if the real facts don't agree with alternate facts.
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