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hybrid choices have not overcome the cost differential for us.
a +35 MPG ICE @ $10K less than comparable Hybrid wins.
You don't understand what hybrid tech brings. In a real world test not a a perfect world test, a hybrid will win the mpg battle against ICE engine with similar rated MPG.
In a traffic jam a hybrid wins all day against ICE. Anytime more braking is used a hybrid wins.
ICE can keep up with hybrid if the condition is perfect with very little braking.
Go check out Fuelly website and show me what ICE can hit 45mph regularly.
I frequently hit 47MPG on my Prius while driving it hard, if I go easy on the car I can hit 52MPG.
A hybrid wins on maintenance, uses less brake pads and less engine wear than ICE.
The latter is becoming more common now, with the hybrids not getting much better mileage, but the additional power from the electric motors boosting overall horsepower and torque.
For example, the Cadillac CT6 plugin Hybrid gets 23/29 MPG with 335 horsepower. The standard 2.0 is 265 HP, and gets 22/30 mpg. Just one less mpg.
I have noticed this also. However, that comes at the expense of more complexity, and potentially more maintenance, but that assumes you keep the car for a longish time (more than three to five years).
I have noticed this also. However, that comes at the expense of more complexity, and potentially more maintenance, but that assumes you keep the car for a longish time (more than three to five years).
The complexity of a hybrid system isn't that bad. Turbochargers are more complex. Maintenance for brakes and the engine is less
You don't understand what hybrid tech brings. In a real world test not a a perfect world test, a hybrid will win the mpg battle against ICE engine with similar rated MPG.
In a traffic jam a hybrid wins all day against ICE. Anytime more braking is used a hybrid wins.
ICE can keep up with hybrid if the condition is perfect with very little braking.
Go check out Fuelly website and show me what ICE can hit 45mph regularly.
I frequently hit 47MPG on my Prius while driving it hard, if I go easy on the car I can hit 52MPG.
A hybrid wins on maintenance, uses less brake pads and less engine wear than ICE.
Until that warranty expires and you try to figure how to troubleshoot a hybrid.
7-10yr old used car
ICE- Engine ($4-5K+) or Transmission ($2-4k) could fail
Hybrid-Engine($4-5K+), Generator ($1-2K), CVT transmission ($2-5K) , Battery ($3-5K+) could fail.
Full Electric-Electric motor ( - K) Battery (5-10K+)
This is what stopped me from getting a used Hybrid, having to worry about the cost of a Battery along with the engine ad transmission, since so many Hybrids use CVT's.
Until that warranty expires and you try to figure how to troubleshoot a hybrid.
7-10yr old used car
ICE- Engine ($4-5K+) or Transmission ($2-4k) could fail
Hybrid-Engine($4-5K+), Generator ($1-2K), CVT transmission ($2-5K) , Battery ($3-5K+) could fail.
Full Electric-Electric motor ( - K) Battery (5-10K+)
This is what stopped me from getting a used Hybrid, having to worry about the cost of a Battery along with the engine ad transmission, since so many Hybrids use CVT's.
A 200,000 mile old battery has a minor impact on performance. Should you need to replace it why would you go buy a new one from the dealer at the cost of thousands instead of a used one from a salvage yard for $500? It's a fairly straight forward DIY as well. Remove the trunk plastics, unplug, replace. https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...d-up/index.htm
Do wish that the CR-Z had been more successful that offered a hybrid with a manual transmission.
The undercurrent to all of this is that the established makers can build any kind of car they want - IC, diesel, hybrid or electric. About 90% of the tech remains the same regardless of engine type. They continue to build larger, mostly IC cars because that's what the market is buying (also because the profit margin is highest on this old, long-amortized tech.)
But the day the curve tips to, say, EVs as it already is tipping to hybrids... they'll do a 20% redesign of their lines and keep going with their massively entrenched position. Which is why I wouldn't want to be, say, a tech mogul trying to play in the automaker sandbox with San Jose tech industry thinking.
The Prius, Insight, and Ioniq are all underpowered and dangerously slow. They're not taking advantage of one of the main benefits of hybridization, horsepower without an efficiency penalty! I had a C-Max that had about 200hp combined and it was quick in the city and highway and got 45mpg in pretty much all driving conditions.
Not really. My Prius V is perfectly adequate. On the highway, its actually preferable to my wife's Civic ICE because it doesn't have to gear hunt.
No, I'm not winning any races but I never get worried about it getting up to speed to merge or pass. I can't say the same about other cars I've had.
I'm not sure what you mean by dangerously slow. One cat set in at 80 quite comfortably.
The biggest drawback of the Prius V is that its kind of loud inside.
So is hybrid vs ICE the new PC vs console or what lmfao.
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