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Well, they shuttered a plant in Georgia and in that announcement gave the news that they were eyeing two sites a little further from Atlanta to build a factory that would produce the Fusion. Sorry that i didn't realize it wasn't a new plant in Mexico but an existing one. Same end result for citizens of Georgia.
Yes, all automakers build in Mexico. Yet I don't see any of the foreign automakers shutting down their US plants and moving production to Mexico.
And yes I am concerned for my home state. It is thriving in many areas but some of the wealth and prosperity needs to move to areas outside of Atlanta. But the southern region's business friendly ways and low taxation is helping the region grow. Perhaps something the rust belt should model.
Toyota closed the plant in California. (Now Tesla uses it....)
In the 70's 100% of US production was domestic. As the imports were allowed in what did you think was going to happen? They have been slowly adding more and more production - they didn't have any existing plants to close, you know? To ask domestics to open new plants just wasn't possible unless the annual sales rate grew faster than foreign companies added capacity. (It didn't.)
But again, it doesn't change the point of the conversation. Free trade both ways - why is that an unreasonable request?
Sorry Ford fanboy but lots of companies build world class products that they don't sell in every market. Ford and GM make conscious decisions on which markets they want to compete in, as do other companies. They aren't prevented from competing, they just don't always have a product that can compete with a reasonable return on investment in a local market. Most markets don't want Ford F-Series because they are too big, too thirsty, and don't last long enough. In the US we have big wide paved roads, huge parking spots, cheap gas, low taxes, etc. Other countries, not so much, so they don't buy bloated american cars and trucks. What they do buy are trucks and vans right sized for their requirements.
All I ever hear is wah wah wah from American fanboys about vehicles they can't buy in the US (usually some crap diesel version of a really nice Japanese SUV or truck) or about the fact that their favorite vehicle isn't sold in some country they will never visit. Get over it.
So how would you respond to the issue of auto sales in Korea. They restrict US-built imports to 50,000 per year and that's it. So that means even the almighty Honda and Toyota can't sell that much there. (The laughable part is they just increased that from 25,000 to 50,000.)
Yet we let Hyundai/Kia get a free pass to sell whatever they want in our country. You don't see an issue with that?
Toyota closed the plant in California. (Now Tesla uses it....)
In the 70's 100% of US production was domestic. As the imports were allowed in what did you think was going to happen? They have been slowly adding more and more production - they didn't have any existing plants to close, you know? To ask domestics to open new plants just wasn't possible unless the annual sales rate grew faster than foreign companies added capacity. (It didn't.)
But again, it doesn't change the point of the conversation. Free trade both ways - why is that an unreasonable request?
That plant was a former GM plant that made GM vehicle’s and it also made jointly the Pontiac vibe and Toyota Matrix and the Chevrolet nova. Gm and Toyota had a joint venture the plant was called the NUMMI was located in Fremont California.
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So how would you respond to the issue of auto sales in Korea. They restrict US-built imports to 50,000 per year and that's it. So that means even the almighty Honda and Toyota can't sell that much there. (The laughable part is they just increased that from 25,000 to 50,000.)
Yet we let Hyundai/Kia get a free pass to sell whatever they want in our country. You don't see an issue with that?
Nope. No issue at all. Again, we don't build cars in the US that Koreans will ever buy. That is why GM owns GM Korea, formerly Daewoo, that is the 3rd largest Korean automaker (at almost 2m units per year). Why import cars from the US when GM already makes them there?
Nope. No issue at all. Again, we don't build cars in the US that Koreans will ever buy. That is why GM owns GM Korea, formerly Daewoo, that is the 3rd largest Korean automaker (at almost 2m units per year). Why import cars from the US when GM already makes them there?
I get that, the point is Ford and GM want to build plants in Korea and Japan (amongst others) to build the cars people will buy in those local markets - but they can't due to all the trade barriers/restrictions/taxes.
Remove the barriers - let them in. Then we will see if they can make cars that will sell or not.
I get that, the point is Ford and GM want to build plants in Korea and Japan (amongst others) to build the cars people will buy in those local markets - but they can't due to all the trade barriers/restrictions/taxes.
Remove the barriers - let them in. Then we will see if they can make cars that will sell or not.
Why would Japan and Korea do this? How would they benefit at all from it? You gotta look at it purely from their point of view.
Why would Japan and Korea do this? How would they benefit at all from it? You gotta look at it purely from their point of view.
Well you are right about that. So now is the time our government tells them make it fair both ways or we start putting some of the same restrictions on them. (It's 40 years late but at least someone is trying to do something about our ridiculous trade deficit.)
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I get that, the point is Ford and GM want to build plants in Korea and Japan (amongst others) to build the cars people will buy in those local markets - but they can't due to all the trade barriers/restrictions/taxes.
Remove the barriers - let them in. Then we will see if they can make cars that will sell or not.
But GM already does in Korea. And they export several of the models produce there back to the US.
But GM already does in Korea. And they export several of the models produce there back to the US.
On a VERY limited basis and they have to partner with a Korean company to get it done.
It would be the same if we told Hyundai "oh, yeah, you can do business in the US and you have to go 50-50 with GM. In addition, we are going to charge you higher than normal taxes plus we will restrict how many vehicles you can build, mport and Export."
Instead we let Hyundai come here and do whatever they feel like. Doesn't seem fair to me...
He also wants everybody to LOVE and Adore him, but I refuse to do that too.
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