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Old 10-09-2018, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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So how would you respond to the issue of auto sales in Korea. They restrict US-built imports to 50,000 per year and that's it. So that means even the almighty Honda and Toyota can't sell that much there. (The laughable part is they just increased that from 25,000 to 50,000.)

Yet we let Hyundai/Kia get a free pass to sell whatever they want in our country. You don't see an issue with that?

I am presuming that there would be few - if any - sales in North Korea. South Korea has about three million more people than live in California. It isn't a huge market to start with, and the gargantuan SUVs and pickups that seem to make up more and more of the vehicle lineup of domestic manufacturers just don't have a market in a country like South Korea.
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Old 10-09-2018, 06:17 PM
 
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The reason is simple - they won't sell there because almost nobody wants them.

Some reasons I know from personal experience why US cars won't sell there -

Unless US makers put the steering wheel on the other side, the people there are very unlikely to put up with the inconvenience of it being on the wrong side. Think about this the next time you drive through a cash tollbooth or McDonalds or bank drive-through.

Few US cars have any semblance of the cachet that Japanese look for. Fewer, as others have pointed out, that rival local offerings, and most would fall short. The only person who would buy, say, a Ford over a Toyota is doing it because they want to appear international and have a passion for things American, but they are far more likely to buy European over American.

The very few US cars you see there are very niche, like VW Microbuses, and you might see a Jeep or Vette or Viper, renovated 70s muscle cars or a restored classic car, etc. once in a blue moon.

What you will however see are Porches, Range Rovers, BMWs and Mercedes. Everywhere. Merc station wagons are particularly popular.

Case in point - you can't walk a city block there without seeing the vast majority of women with Louis Vitton, Chanel, Hermes, etc. bags. In a year you will probably never see a woman with Coach bag. No cachet.

You will however, see men everywhere with Tumi bags. Why? Because they have a good reputation, image, and, people want them.

I haven't read all 22 pages yet, but might get around to it. I am surely restating what some others may have said.

Also Japanese cars made there are better than those made anywhere else - better materials, like the body metal, better engineering, better attention to detail, better manufacturing, better service, as well as localized options.

If US cars had the image they had in the 50s or 60s they might stand a chance. You can try and play the patriot card on this all you like, but we killed our own reputation in the 70s and 80s and it ain't coming back anytime soon.

Build a damn good US car with a compelling image and they will sell.

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Old 10-09-2018, 06:22 PM
 
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Why would Japan and Korea do this? How would they benefit at all from it? You gotta look at it purely from their point of view.
Exactly, why would they do this after having a free pass for the last 50 years, lol. Could care less if it's a democrat or republican, but somebody with a whole lot more political power than me needs to stand up and tell these countries you wana put a restriction on the number of cars we sell in your country, guess what we are going to do the same. As of the 1st of the year Korea u may only send 50,000 cars in the USA. Japan any restrictions or regulations u put on us will have the same EXACT restriction and regulations put on u. This new policy will began on 1/01/19.


This may seem a simplistic approach, but it would free up some trade. It doesn't have to be exact, just more fair. Sorta like when one state raises the price on out of state deer hunting, the neighboring state may say np, whatever u charge us for deer hunting we will do the same in our state, lol. Duck, fishing small game whatever, u get the point.
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Old 10-09-2018, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Toyota and other cars which sell big come to you, they bring you the demo cars for you try, then they do all of your paperwork and insurance. The popular companies do things totally different from how we do.

I really don't think it's a big deal, and Japanese car buyers don't have an interest in what we have to sell.

Why are we worry about a market who doesn't want what we sell, and not about tariffs that are causing job layoffs in our own car industry? Tariffs on steel that will drive up costs to our own consumers?

Just watch S Koreas purchasing of our cars, if it doesn't change after the change in the trade agreement there, it would probably go the same in Japan.
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Old 10-09-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https...rDROFC-3MSvxXE It's not about just the big 3 anymore, wake up people. WE need real trade deals, and someone that will negotiate with our best interest at heart. No BS we just can't compete so give them everything. Don't be ashamed or apologize that we are Americans, stand tall at the trade table and get a fair deal. Pathetic no need to get pushed around, then take whatever deal Japan or anyone else wants to jam down our throats. Stand tall, tell them the way it is and if they don't like it sell there stinkin cars elseware

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Old 10-09-2018, 06:57 PM
 
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I dunno, to me it's like insisting a men's shoe store opens up their market to Manolos.
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Old 10-09-2018, 07:05 PM
 
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What we don't have anything to sell, screw dat. Don't be scared, stand tall and be proud, don't take no raw deal.
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Old 10-09-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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Still getting news and political facts from Facebook? Sigh...
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Old 10-09-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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Build a damn good US car with a compelling image and they will sell.
All Ford and GM is asking for is a chance to do just that.

So many people assume they would just take their existing cars and send them to Japan. I laugh about the comments of "the steering wheel needs to be on the left" and all of that. No kidding, really? Like they don't know that????? And oh, by the way, they make right-hand drive cars for several other countries so this is nothing new.

Also, the concierge-style service that needs to be provided to the Japanese customers - well guess what, Ford and GM probably wouldn't handle that part of it, anyway. They would have to use a local dealer like Yanase. The manufacturers generally don't get too involved with retailing - they focus on building the cars - even in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanase_(car_dealership)
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Old 10-09-2018, 07:16 PM
 
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Ford announced Monday that the company is pulling out of the Japanese and Indonesian markets due to customer disinterest in the brand. Employees in both countries were notified of the decision via an email from Dave Schoch, president of Ford's Asia-Pacific region, according to Reuters. The email says there is "no reasonable path to profitability," for the automaker.

https://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/27/...ullout-report/

Shortly after the non-announcement, Ford spokesman Neal McCarthy told the Associated Press that “Japan is the most closed, developed auto economy in the world, with all imported brands accounting for less than 6% of Japan's annual new car market.” The first part of McCarthy’s line is lifted straight from the American Automotive Policy Council, the lobbying arm of Detroit’s automakers, and it lacks any proof. The second part seems to be purloined from the seminal oeuvre titled “How to lie with statistics.”

It is true that the market share of imported registered cars in Japan is around 10% (or at around 6.5% if one includes Japan's peculiar minivehicle market, where imports usually do not compete.) What Ford doesn’t want you to know is that this number is the sign of a vibrant import market in a region with a strong auto industry. Imports account for a higher share of the market in Japan than China, where imports are around 5% of the market, according to data from the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers. In the European Union, 16.6% of all automobiles registered in 2015 were imported, according to IHS, but a little more than half of those were imported by EU brands. You will not hear Ford complain about closed markets in Europe, or China, maybe because it has a strong presence in both.


Ford successfully sells its “closed market” story for domestic consumption, especially in Washington, D.C., a story that distracts from its outsized reliance on pickup profits and the counterargument that it also is sitting in a protected market, surrounded by a huge moat made from a 25% tariff on light trucks, and regulations that are incompatible with the rest of the world.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertels.../#8d969ee50a3a
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