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Old 01-23-2019, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Did interviewing while using drugs help or hurt this timeline?
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Old 01-23-2019, 01:26 PM
 
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Aww, the OP is ignoring the fact that actually their cells do have IP.

But I see again it's really about his personality clash with Elon Musk.

This is a common scenario played out with fragile egos that can't accept when someone else has done something significant that they themselves could not do.
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Old 01-23-2019, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Aww, the OP is ignoring the fact that actually their cells do have IP.
Nothing of significance. Musk Brand™ AA's are pretty much just AA's. Certainly not made from pure Jobsium.

I could care less about Musk as an individual and admire his SpaceX efforts (far more than Tesla)... but he's sliding down into the Dean Kamen/James Dyson tier of supergenius world-changing inventor-entrepreneurs from, well, the Jobs/Gates/Ford one.
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Old 01-23-2019, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Coastal Mid-Atlantic
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Aww, the OP is ignoring the fact that actually their cells do have IP.

But I see again it's really about his personality clash with Elon Musk.

This is a common scenario played out with fragile egos that can't accept when someone else has done something significant that they themselves could not do.

" That’s the Model 3’s cells. The Model S and X use the off the shelf Panasonic 18650 cells. "


Thats most of his problems with using these and similar cells. You range is going to be limited. More range means a larger cell. Not just more of these and running them in parallel for more range. The bad news, Space is going to be limited regardless of what cell you will use. So there will be range limits with Ev vehicles using todays battery technology.
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Old 01-23-2019, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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So there will be range limits with Ev vehicles using todays battery technology.
Right. And there is absolutely no breakthrough of any significance on the horizon, whereas the last few improvements in battery tech were known long before they were optimized for commercial use.

It's Tesla's careful construction of an image as supergenius battery gurus I'm snarking at here. But then, I'm old enough to remember Learium, too.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:29 PM
 
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Right. And there is absolutely no breakthrough of any significance on the horizon, whereas the last few improvements in battery tech were known long before they were optimized for commercial use.

It's Tesla's careful construction of an image as supergenius battery gurus I'm snarking at here. But then, I'm old enough to remember Learium, too.
Doesn't hurt that no one seems to be challenging them on range, either.

If we have any breakthrough battery tech, it will likely cost so much it can only be absorbed into a premium brand and trickled down as the production becomes cheaper: Lamborghini -> Audi -> VW.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:34 PM
 
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Doesn't hurt that no one seems to be challenging them on range, either.
Which appears, even within their own product line, to be a factor of battery pack size and little else. I assume any other major maker could equal energy density/range per (pound?) if they chose to. Maybe less a few percent for genius. But the cost of a bigger battery pack is directly proportional to vehicle cost, which is already high for any kind of standard/family/economy level vehicle.

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If we have any breakthrough battery tech, it will likely cost so much it can only be absorbed into a premium brand and trickled down as the production becomes cheaper: Lamborghini -> Audi -> VW.
More likely, the immense brilliant breakthrough idea that occurred to a technologist in a lab in Pasadena today will need five years to be commercially usable and several years after that to be commercially viable.

The battery tech in use today was around and understood long before it reached consumers. AFAIK, there is no such potential tech yet to be tapped or tamed for market. Electrochemical storage is at a brick wall until that guy in Pasadena finishes his lunch break.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:42 PM
 
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Which appears, even within their own product line, to be a factor of battery pack size and little else. I assume any other major maker could equal energy density/range per (pound?) if they chose to. Maybe less a few percent for genius. But the cost of a bigger battery pack is directly proportional to vehicle cost, which is already high for any kind of standard/family/economy level vehicle.


More likely, the immense brilliant breakthrough idea that occurred to a technologist in a lab in Pasadena today will need five years to be commercially usable and several years after that to be commercially viable.

The battery tech in use today was around and understood long before it reached consumers. AFAIK, there is no such potential tech yet to be tapped or tamed for market. Electrochemical storage is at a brick wall until that guy in Pasadena finishes his lunch break.
Sometimes it seems more like he's out on FMLA
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Old 01-23-2019, 03:05 PM
 
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Doesn't hurt that no one seems to be challenging them on range, either.

If we have any breakthrough battery tech, it will likely cost so much it can only be absorbed into a premium brand and trickled down as the production becomes cheaper: Lamborghini -> Audi -> VW.
Tesla’s not challenging anybody else on price. They have the largest range and coincidently have to charge more for it.
Even with redesigned battery cells, the Model 3 doesn’t seem to be profitable at the prices it was advertised at.
What we had 20 years ago were EVs that were too expensive to obtain decent ranges. What we have now is the same situation only the cars look better.
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Old 01-23-2019, 04:01 PM
 
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I have question. What are all these people going to argue about after Tesla goes bankrupt and disappears? lol
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