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Old 03-01-2019, 07:19 AM
 
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Yet another Bloomberg article infused with the agenda of the writers and editors.

Bloomberg hasn't been a reliable source for unbiased business stories for quite some. They've hired a ton of left-leaning writers and editors, and it shows.
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Old 03-01-2019, 07:26 AM
 
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Still an opportunity cost, even though the overall cost is lower than not taking that job. Which is why it shouldn't be ignored.
Yes, but opportunity cost exists within a vacuum. Sure, I value my time at over $40 an hour; doesn't mean I can get paid that 24 hours a day.
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Old 03-01-2019, 07:35 AM
 
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It's called an opportunity cost in economics.
I don't disagree -- but that is not the only thing at play.

As a passenger in a typical Uber in a typical commute scenario, your time isn't really that productive. You're not going to be reading -- let alone writing -- research intensive reports requiring substantial concentration. You're not going to be on a client call discussing confidential information. Yeah, you can dispatch low-value-add emails - but in stop/go traffic staring at a laptop, you're subject to motion sickness.

It isn't like commuting on a train, for example.

Moreover, there is the consumption value of automobiles. Many of us find great pleasure in automobiles - even in stop/go traffic.

At the end of the day, a spirit-crushing commute is a spirit-crushing commute regardless who is driving.
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Old 03-01-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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Not everyone lives and works exclusively in an urban environment. In communities that have a successful taxi, bus, and or rail service then these ride share services will thrive. But when, not if, more predators use these services then expect less customers to use these services and expect less people willing to use their vehicle to transport strangers.
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Old 03-01-2019, 07:51 AM
 
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Here’s a different perspective. Prior to hurricane Katrina many poor people in New Orleans didn’t own a motor vehicle nor did they ever leave the city of New Orleans. Why buy a car when they could walk, ride a bicycle, take a city bus/trolley, or a cab. Everything they want was within the city. Then came Hurricane Katrina. Many of those trapped were without a vehicle. They were bused to other parts of the country.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:23 AM
 
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Drivers don't set their rates. UBER does. Many drivers lose money.
Then the business model is doomed to fail.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:27 AM
 
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Yes, but opportunity cost exists within a vacuum. Sure, I value my time at over $40 an hour; doesn't mean I can get paid that 24 hours a day.
I'm not saying it is. I'm saying with a 30 hour per month commute (45 minutes to work), you actually are spending 190 hours of your time for your employer, who is paying you for 160 hours, that's out of 672 available monthly hours (4 weeks). I'm not suggesting you are worth your hourly rate x 672 hours, I'm saying you devalue your employment hours by commuting in a way that you cannot gain any other benefit from that other than getting to your place of employment.

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I don't disagree -- but that is not the only thing at play.

As a passenger in a typical Uber in a typical commute scenario, your time isn't really that productive. You're not going to be reading -- let alone writing -- research intensive reports requiring substantial concentration. You're not going to be on a client call discussing confidential information. Yeah, you can dispatch low-value-add emails - but in stop/go traffic staring at a laptop, you're subject to motion sickness.

It isn't like commuting on a train, for example.

Moreover, there is the consumption value of automobiles. Many of us find great pleasure in automobiles - even in stop/go traffic.

At the end of the day, a spirit-crushing commute is a spirit-crushing commute regardless who is driving.
I'm not suggesting you work on your commute, why would you? If you were driving for the commute, you're not doing any of those things either. The aim should be recovery of a portion or all of your commute as personal time, doesn't matter if its drinking a cup of coffee reading your newsfeed, or playing Candy Crush. I mean I'm a complete gear head but the one thing I've always hated is my commute, because it doesn't matter how nice you car is, you're spending too much time crawling along in traffic, and any time crawling is too much time.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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Still an opportunity cost, even though the overall cost is lower than not taking that job. Which is why it shouldn't be ignored.
I have two kids under 5. My commute time in the car alone is my “me time”.
The sooner I get home the sooner I go back to being a man servant to some toddlers.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:55 AM
 
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I have two kids under 5. My commute time in the car alone is my “me time”.
The sooner I get home the sooner I go back to being a man servant to some toddlers.
Then you personally consider the opportunity cost low, or even of benefit. That's awesome for you, but don't expect everyone to think the same.
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Old 03-01-2019, 09:00 AM
 
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Then the business model is doomed to fail.
The drivers are independent contractors. Many try it for a month or two to see if the numbers work. If they don't, they simply stop being a driver. UBER gets their money during that time regardless.

UBER's long game is to have autonomous vehicles providing the rides.
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