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Old 04-17-2019, 04:45 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Because it's fun. The light turns green and my Mustang is 6 car lengths beyond the mini van who doesn't even know whats going on. lol
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I want to choose which gear I'm in, not let some mechanical or digital device make that choice for me.

If you're doing 6000 rpm in 3rd gear, can you make the choice to shift down to 2nd or 1st just because you want it to be there and not damage the car? I posit that you can only shift when it's appropriate for the car. Which is exactly what a good automatic does. The CAR is telling you what gear it should be in at any given point. You ignore that at your own peril.
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The point of this is very little shock load on the driveline and very little wear on the clutch. This does take more time than a "speed shift" of course, but if you have driven a Scirocco, for one thing, the shifter action is not one of the car's most compelling points, and with a more or less stock 1.7 liter engine, straight line acceleration is not going to be anything to write home about in any case. So I avoid beating on it.

Having owned a '77 Scirocco 1.7 and an '81 Jetta with the 5 speed, I know exactly what you mean.



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You do make a good point about adapting to a particular car, to paraphrase, you cooperate with the car and its design, rather than fight it. That seems to be something that some people can do, and some can't do it and can't in my experience be taught.

Yeah, I call it "mechanical sympathy" and a lot of people just don't have it. lol!
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Because it's fun. The light turns green and my Mustang is 6 car lengths beyond the mini van who doesn't even know whats going on. lol

That can be done with any transmission in that Mustang...


My V8 RX7 launched REAL hard with the sticky tires and the built AOD automatic. And bark the tires into every gear, including overdrive, shifting faster than I could manually. Perfect for track use, which is what it was built for. And massive amounts of fun. It would also pull 1.2G laterally, for hard cornering power. THAT was massive fun, too.
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:19 PM
 
Location: moved
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My V8 RX7 launched REAL hard with the sticky tires and the built AOD automatic. And bark the tires into every gear, including overdrive, shifting faster than I could manually. Perfect for track use, which is what it was built for. And massive amounts of fun. It would also pull 1.2G laterally, for hard cornering power. THAT was massive fun, too.
That is the proverbial apples-to oranges comparison. My humble Camry has 268 hp, but its automatic transmission is... limited. If it could be tuned for brutal, neck-snapping shifts, I would love that - even if it meant 12 mpg, and a new transmission every 20K miles.
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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To pi** leftists off because they know they won't be able to buy used manual cars. It's like all they do is whine about telling someone to buy something they want from them later on.
I'm a leftie and I drive a manual.

Lots of "reasons" to drive a manual for me, but I think ultimately the reason is just that I like to.

Here are some of my justifications:

-I tend to own high mileage cars. I've never purchased one with *less* than 150k miles, and manual transmissions typically greatly outlast automatics.

-In EPA tests automatics often get better fuel economy ratings, but in the real world manuals usually win, even if the gearing is shorter. I currently own a Fit and an Insight (both manual). My girlfriend averages ~47mpg in her Fit, a bit better in the summer and a bit worse in winter.

-I think it's more fun and engaging. I drive an automatic while at work, and while I enjoy it too, I can't wait to get into my car.
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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"I shift, therefore I am."
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:52 PM
 
Location: In The South
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Because it’s fun, and gives you more control.
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Old 04-17-2019, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Tricity
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It's fun to drive and it's good to know how to drive, especially if you travel a lot overseas. Most AT rentals are much more expensive than MT.
Also, MT it's easier to maintain and repair. Less costly too.
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Old 04-17-2019, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Saint Paul
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If you're doing 6000 rpm in 3rd gear, can you make the choice to shift down to 2nd or 1st just because you want it to be there and not damage the car? I posit that you can only shift when it's appropriate for the car. Which is exactly what a good automatic does. The CAR is telling you what gear it should be in at any given point. You ignore that at your own peril.
Somehow I always now what gear is appropriate at any given time. How do I know? It's a mystery.

But if I need to be in a different gear, I don't have to wait for the transmission to make that decision.
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