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Old 05-13-2019, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Andorra
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My wife and I really tried to get into an EV for our city car. We regularly drive very short distances. But in the end there was an insurmountable hang up - no charging in our apartment block. Winters are cold here, and the lack of home charging + power loss through heating pulled the plug so to speak!
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Old 05-18-2019, 01:46 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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Why would they not test the Tesla Model 3 - a version is available that is cheaper than any of these vehicles ($35k) and has a supercharger network that will charge at 2-3 times the speed that these did and with much higher availability of chargers. EVs can clearly be long rang vehicles if designed and supported and cold doesnt really matter.

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A pair of drivers closed out 2017 by setting a new EV Cannonball Run record, and once again, the cross-country record was set in a Tesla Model 3. The new feat stands at 50 hours, 16 minutes and 23 seconds.

The record run, which was first reported by The Drive, was set by automotive journalist Alex Roy and Model 3 owner Daniel Zorrilla in the latter's blue Model 3 equipped with aero wheels, among the first of the cars delivered to customers. They drove the official 2,860-mile Cannonball Run route from the Portofino Inn in Redondo Beach, Calif. to the Red Ball garage in New York City. You can watch a time-lapse and GPS-tracked version of the whole trip in the video above.

It wasn't clear how fast the duo drove — the Cannonball Run is famously governed by the rule that there are no rules — but the finishing time presumably included down time to recharge the battery, since the finishing time indicates an average speed of just around 56.9 miles per hour. Total charging costs were just $100.95. That's impressively inexpensive; figuring that pushing a gasoline-powered sedan to 80 or 90 mph over that distance would cost four times that amount to fuel, assuming an average gas price of $3 per gallon and an average fuel economy of 20 mpg. It's also impressive that the Model 3 performed as well as it did given the Arctic cold front that's been gripping much of the country, since EV battery range suffers in extreme temperatures.
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/01/03/...annonball-run/
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Old 05-19-2019, 05:23 PM
 
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Why would they not test the Tesla Model 3 - a version is available that is cheaper than any of these vehicles ($35k) and has a supercharger network that will charge at 2-3 times the speed that these did and with much higher availability of chargers. EVs can clearly be long rang vehicles if designed and supported and cold doesnt really matter.



https://www.autoblog.com/2018/01/03/...annonball-run/

First of all... is the charging really 2-3x faster than it was just like 2 years ago? Pretty sure that isn't true, but if it is please post the charging rates - then and now!

But even so, you realize that gas cars have done this in under 30 hours, right? You are talking about a whole extra day to cross the country. For some people, that's too much.
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Old 05-19-2019, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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First of all... is the charging really 2-3x faster than it was just like 2 years ago? Pretty sure that isn't true, but if it is please post the charging rates - then and now!

But even so, you realize that gas cars have done this in under 30 hours, right? You are talking about a whole extra day to cross the country. For some people, that's too much.
I think the point that was made is that Tesla Superchargers, which only Teslas have access to, charge much quicker than DC fast chargers do (more than 2X faster) which are the chargers that other EVs utilize. Teslas can use these chargers but most Tesla owners won’t use them unless they are in a bind. We’ve had a Tesla for 10 months now and have gone on several road trips. With the supercharger network it’s a breeze. My car has a 310 mile range and at a supercharger it can get like 80% charged in about 30 mins, which isn’t bad at all.
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Old 05-19-2019, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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It only takes a few minutes to fill your gas tank.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:00 AM
 
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It only takes a few minutes to fill your gas tank.

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+ what happens when someone steals your juice? not like you can walk down tot he nearest mobile to get a gallon kwh to get home.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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+ what happens when someone steals your juice? not like you can walk down tot he nearest mobile to get a gallon kwh to get home.
1) The 20-30 mins we spend at a Supercharger every 250 miles hasn’t been an issue for us. As we have two small children it gives them an opportunity to get out and run around a bit, use the restroom, get something to eat, etc.

2) Tesla is in the process of upgrading it’s superchargers to V3 which will be significantly quicker than the current generation chargers. It will charge 75 miles in 5 mins and at a rate of 1000 miles/hr. The technology continues to improve and at a rapid pace.

3) Please explain how somebody could steal battery power from an EV. I’ve never heard of this happening so it isn’t something I’m worried about. Electricity is cheap so I can’t imagine there is a thief out there who would bother anyway.
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Old 05-20-2019, 12:55 PM
 
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Charging speeds is only half the problem. The other problem is the spacing of fast charging stations. Charging just 30 min after you start driving just because the next opportunity is too far away is retarded. It’s like you transported back in time to a Model T on a cross country trip with the first gas stations.

Whoever claims this is good with kids is lying. The last thing you do when you have a kid asleep or settled in with an iPad or a movie is stop for any reason. Everyone knows that.
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Old 05-20-2019, 12:59 PM
 
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1) The 20-30 mins we spend at a Supercharger every 250 miles hasn’t been an issue for us. As we have two small children it gives them an opportunity to get out and run around a bit, use the restroom, get something to eat, etc.

2) Tesla is in the process of upgrading it’s superchargers to V3 which will be significantly quicker than the current generation chargers. It will charge 75 miles in 5 mins and at a rate of 1000 miles/hr. The technology continues to improve and at a rapid pace.

3) Please explain how somebody could steal battery power from an EV. I’ve never heard of this happening so it isn’t something I’m worried about. Electricity is cheap so I can’t imagine there is a thief out there who would bother anyway.
That’s bad news for current Tesla owners who already have an outdated charging system. You can always start over and just buy a Porsche.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...arging-station
At least you know they’ll still be around in 5 years.
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Old 05-20-2019, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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That’s bad news for current Tesla owners who already have an outdated charging system. You can always start over and just buy a Porsche.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...arging-station
At least you know they’ll still be around in 5 years.
The V3 Supercharger upgrade will be able to be used by all Tesla Model 3’s after receiving an over-the-air update....so good news for me.
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