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Old 05-27-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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Has there ever been an example of a French automaker, or any consortium including a French automaker, having any success in the US?
Renault Nissan Alliance has a lot of success here. The Versa was a Renault in its initial iteration
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Old 05-27-2019, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Lee County, NC
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How many other companies has FCA tried to merge with now? GM turned them down, Ford turned them down, Volkswagen turned them down.

I guess they're going to ask everybody until someone finally says yes...
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Old 05-27-2019, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Renault Nissan Alliance has a lot of success here. The Versa was a Renault in its initial iteration
I'd argue that this is largely Nissan, long established and successful here. One minor adapted platform isn't a big contribution.

History is that French makes have done very poorly here, and my sense is that French alliances are somewhere between failures and (as here) negligible contributors. Their makes and collaborations seem to to much better in Europe.

French cars have always been at a tangent to the rest of automaking and of limited appeal outside the Francophone regions. Even Soviet/Russian makes are more... mainstream. But, of course, that's because most of them are clones of existing European makes.
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Old 05-27-2019, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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How many other companies has FCA tried to merge with now? GM turned them down, Ford turned them down, Volkswagen turned them down.

I guess they're going to ask everybody until someone finally says yes...
Read this story

https://www.mapartners.net/insights/...imler-chrysler
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Old 05-27-2019, 12:08 PM
 
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I'd argue that this is largely Nissan, long established and successful here. One minor adapted platform isn't a big contribution.

History is that French makes have done very poorly here, and my sense is that French alliances are somewhere between failures and (as here) negligible contributors. Their makes and collaborations seem to to much better in Europe.

French cars have always been at a tangent to the rest of automaking and of limited appeal outside the Francophone regions. Even Soviet/Russian makes are more... mainstream. But, of course, that's because most of them are clones of existing European makes.
No disagreement. But it’s the most successful example
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Old 05-27-2019, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Columbia SC
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I have some experience doing business with the French. They consider the rest of the world to be uncouth and French products to be the best plus they still consider themselves to still be a world power.
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Old 05-27-2019, 05:46 PM
 
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Love it. The merger. GREAT idea. I also will call FC and suggest to merge with Lada. Those cars will sell better than Teslas.
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Old 05-27-2019, 05:48 PM
 
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Hold on. there's better idea





So merger product can be afforded by everyone on the planet then.
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Old 05-27-2019, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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I have some experience doing business with the French. They consider the rest of the world to be uncouth and French products to be the best plus they still consider themselves to still be a world power.
They just march to le beat of a different drummer. The only country that has determinedly maintained their own approach to major industry (look at cars) and technology (they were for years the only nation to use the SECAM television standard, which the Soviet Union adopted because it meant their sets couldn't pick up western Europe's PAL standard). And politics. They have some truly interesting socioeconomic ideas that hardly anyone is aware of, because they are (unnecessarily) interwoven with the very strong strain of French Socialism... and I mean the big-S kind, here.
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Old 05-27-2019, 06:49 PM
 
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So what? Giant conglomerate automaker wont necessarily translate into a better product for consumers. This is the three stooges of the automotive world.
As a Stooges fan, I resemble that remark.

Italy's last invasion of France happened in 1940 (it lost the territory it captured in a 1945 counteroffensive). This time will probably be more lasting.
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