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Old 05-31-2019, 11:09 AM
 
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Interesting. I hadn't looked closely enough to know this. Useful datum, thanks.


I have been through, and often technically involved to some degree, with most of the standards battles of the last forty years or so. There's always an early phase where several players try to get their version of something adopted as standard (quite often because there would be licensing control and revenue, always a nice thing to collect from your competitors), then someone comes along with a universal "good enough" and that ends the contention.

And there's always one player strong enough to keep marching along with their own proprietary notions of how it should be done, and their customers typically pay a premium to be different and are both smug and adoring about it. Apple and Tesla epitomize this model.

Power (heh, heh) to 'em. But five years from now, will the GM/Bectel/etc. charging stations have changed to a Tesla plug... or will Superchargers have grown a standardized plug (while retaining the utterly superior original)? Place your bets, ladeeeez and jennlemun.
Tesla makes adaptors to fit the GM (and the rest) standard plug. There were rumors about someone making one that will go the other way but I can't verify if that ever happened.

https://www.evseadapters.com/collect...ters-for-tesla
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Old 05-31-2019, 01:52 PM
 
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Tesla makes adapters to use other charging stations. Heck I believe in Europe/or China, they have a CCS charge port under the standard one now. What's the big issue?
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Old 05-31-2019, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Tesla makes adapters to use other charging stations. Heck I believe in Europe/or China, they have a CCS charge port under the standard one now. What's the big issue?
That Superchargers are exclusive to Teslas - the Apple solution, not the successful one.
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Old 05-31-2019, 04:00 PM
 
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That Superchargers are exclusive to Teslas - the Apple solution, not the successful one.
Well they built an infrastructure to support their customers. Tesla isn't in the business of supporting all electric cars - only Tesla brand cars.

Someday, if they decide there is a business case for other brands to use them, they just might.
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Old 05-31-2019, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Well they built an infrastructure to support their customers. Tesla isn't in the business of supporting all electric cars - only Tesla brand cars.

Someday, if they decide there is a business case for other brands to use them, they just might.
No one's questioned that.

What's questionable is the choice to build a closed infrastructure... and there's no shortage of fairly recent examples of why that's a really stupid idea, whereas any short-term losses from using an open infrastructure are often massively offset by long-term gains from it.

Musk is playing the tech-world game, where you lock your customers into one operating model. Note that GM never sold GM-only gas, nor Ford, nor Hupmobile. (Nor used fueling systems exclusive to their brands, to make it more on point.)

So you can sort of smugly defend a "Exclusively for our customers" mindset... but you can't point to many companies that survived long on it. Not outside of niche tech. And certainly not in the auto industry.
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Old 06-02-2019, 08:28 PM
 
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That Superchargers are exclusive to Teslas - the Apple solution, not the successful one.
It would be similar if Apple products could also plug into standard mini USB cables and support Android apps.
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Old 06-02-2019, 11:07 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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It would be similar if Apple products could also plug into standard mini USB cables and support Android apps.
And you say my posts have no meaningful content.

Juice is juice. Trying to stick a brand name on it is going to deliver some nasty shocks.
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Old 06-08-2019, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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How much does it cost to charge your car?
A few hours...
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Old 06-13-2019, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Saint Johns, FL
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A few hours...
Only if you're doing it wrong.

BTW Nissan has NOT switched over to the CCS standard. They still use CHADEMO.
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Old 06-13-2019, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Coastal Mid-Atlantic
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How much does it cost to charge your car?

A few hours...


When you're traveling. Waaay too long with kids in the car, and in the today's world got to have it right f%$#@& now attitude.
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