Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Automotive
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-10-2019, 06:51 AM
 
1,069 posts, read 787,368 times
Reputation: 903

Advertisements

If you drive or dispatch for a living, 13speed.com wants you to read the story attached to the link below. The news article is about the first autonomous truck being dispatched by a robot dispatcher. The truck then proceeded to pick up and deliver its load with no human intervention at all. Here is the link.

https://cdllife.com/2019/a-robot-dis...n-involvement/
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-10-2019, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
6,980 posts, read 5,423,158 times
Reputation: 6436
Quote:
Originally Posted by corolla5speed View Post
If you drive or dispatch for a living, 13speed.com wants you to read the story attached to the link below. The news article is about the first autonomous truck being dispatched by a robot dispatcher. The truck then proceeded to pick up and deliver its load with no human intervention at all. Here is the link.

https://cdllife.com/2019/a-robot-dis...n-involvement/
Still along way out has to pass many local and federal safety checks first, was there other vehicles on the highway or was this a staged test on a closed highway to all other vehicles. And did it backup into a staged straight on loading dock. Most loading docks are located were you have to maneuver several tight turns to get to. My brother is a retired steel hauler and when you hauling 70,000 lbs of coils of steel it’s a different ballgame, you have to know when to raise your trailer axles when making certain turns so you don’t tip over your load. So it’s going to be many years before you will see self driving semi trucks in the heavy haul business.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-10-2019, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
22,146 posts, read 33,544,925 times
Reputation: 35437
Quote:
Originally Posted by easy62 View Post
Still along way out has to pass many local and federal safety checks first, was there other vehicles on the highway or was this a staged test on a closed highway to all other vehicles. And did it backup into a staged straight on loading dock. Most loading docks are located were you have to maneuver several tight turns to get to. My brother is a retired steel hauler and when you hauling 70,000 lbs of coils of steel it’s a different ballgame, you have to know when to raise your trailer axles when making certain turns so you don’t tip over your load. So it’s going to be many years before you will see self driving semi trucks in the heavy haul business.
Yeah well.....at one time things that are common today was called science fiction 30 years ago.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-10-2019, 08:20 AM
 
19,039 posts, read 27,607,234 times
Reputation: 20278
In Europe, truck platooning was being considered with the Safe Road Trains for the Environment approach, a project that ended in September 2012.[citation needed]
Caterpillar Inc. made early developments in 2013 with the Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University to improve efficiency and reduce cost at various mining and construction sites.[7] Companies such as Codelco Chilean State Mining Company, Suncor Energy, a Canadian energy company, and Rio Tinto Group were among the first to replace human-operated trucks with driverless commercial trucks run by computers.[8]
Otto, demonstrated their self-driving trucks on the highway before being acquired by Uber in August 2016.[9] In May 2017, San Francisco-based startup Embark[10] announced a partnership with truck manufacturer Peterbilt to test and deploy autonomous technology in Peterbilt's vehicles.[11] Waymo has also said to be testing autonomous technology in trucks,[12] however no timeline has been given for the project.
In April 2016, trucks from major manufacturers including Volvo and the Daimler Company completed a week of autonomous driving across Europe, organized by the Dutch, in an effort to get self-driving trucks on the road.
In 2016, Anheuser-Busch Inc. and Uber Technologies Inc. joined together and successfully made the first commercial delivery of beer using a self-driving truck. No human action had involved in the driving process and the truck travelled 120 miles.[13] Another big player investing in this technology is Google, through its spin-off Waymo which also delivers freights in Atlanta.[14]
In March 2018, Starsky Robotics, the San Francisco-based autonomous truck company, completed a 7-mile (11 km) fully driverless trip in Florida without a human in the truck, though one was available to take over by remote control. Starsky Robotics became the first player in the self-driving truck game to drive in fully autonomous mode on a public road without a person in the cab.[15]
In July 2018, Uber announced it was shuttering the truck-focused branch of its autonomous vehicles program as part of a reorganization of its Advanced Technologies Group following the fatal Uber autonomous passenger vehicle crash in Tempe, AZ in March 2018.[16] Shortly after Uber shut down its autonomous truck efforts, two autonomous truck startups, Kodiak Robotics and Ike, were announced featuring alumni from the Uber program.[


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_truck
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-10-2019, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
12,447 posts, read 9,540,640 times
Reputation: 15907
Quote:
Originally Posted by Electrician4you View Post
Yeah well.....at one time things that are common today was called science fiction 30 years ago.
Yep, the internet is only about 35 years old, and in the early years, no one could foresee the massive information, collaboration and commercial resource it has become. It's very difficult to try to predict the schedule of technology progress very far out.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-10-2019, 08:36 AM
 
1,069 posts, read 787,368 times
Reputation: 903
Default I think it may come sooner then we think.

Quote:
Originally Posted by easy62 View Post
Still along way out has to pass many local and federal safety checks first, was there other vehicles on the highway or was this a staged test on a closed highway to all other vehicles. And did it backup into a staged straight on loading dock. Most loading docks are located were you have to maneuver several tight turns to get to. My brother is a retired steel hauler and when you hauling 70,000 lbs of coils of steel it’s a different ballgame, you have to know when to raise your trailer axles when making certain turns so you don’t tip over your load. So it’s going to be many years before you will see self driving semi trucks in the heavy haul business.

All of what you say is true but problems we think of as difficult become easy with the help of computers. Some of the testing I'm sure is being staged but these are big companies going after a big pot of money. As in 700 billion dollars a year add in drivers salaries and we are talking about a prize worth more then a trillion dollars. So who is going to emerge as the next Walmart of trucking?

A number of good examples exist as to how and why. It's the same technology that is slowly being proven with the Tesla cars and has taken autonomous trucking for quite a long free ride. Also Tesla has its own autonomous trucking development side of the business which we don't hear about much.

https://electrek.co/guides/tesla-semi/

It seems this autonomous truck effort is becoming quite serious lately. As in 500 new jobs in Tucson.

https://tucson.com/news/local/develo...d872b84ba.html
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-10-2019, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Colorado
408 posts, read 259,894 times
Reputation: 2126
Imagine your car driving cross-country at night while you sleep in the back. Or having your car or a car for hire pick you up in front of your house and drive you to work or if you are older driver, drive you to your doctor appointment and taking you home.

Imagine your commute almost semi-truck free because the semi-trucks will be traveling at night. Or trucks that drive almost 24/7 except for commute times, what that means for cheaper goods.

Are we going to have all of this in three years or will it be perfect in the beginning, of course not. Will it roll out in stages, of course. But it is coming sooner rather than later.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-10-2019, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
6,980 posts, read 5,423,158 times
Reputation: 6436
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deoge View Post
Imagine your car driving cross-country at night while you sleep in the back. Or having your car or a car for hire pick you up in front of your house and drive you to work or if you are older driver, drive you to your doctor appointment and taking you home.

Imagine your commute almost semi-truck free because the semi-trucks will be traveling at night. Or trucks that drive almost 24/7 except for commute times, what that means for cheaper goods.

Are we going to have all of this in three years or will it be perfect in the beginning, of course not. Will it roll out in stages, of course. But it is coming sooner rather than later.
There are approximately 350,000 owner-operators registered in the United States, most lease on to larger carriers and operate under that carriers DOT number. So you won’t see self driving Semi trucks in the near future, that’s 350,000 jobs and a heck of allot of Rigs.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-10-2019, 08:49 PM
 
41,813 posts, read 51,059,937 times
Reputation: 17865
Quote:
Originally Posted by easy62 View Post
And did it backup into a staged straight on loading dock. Most loading docks are located were you have to maneuver several tight turns to get to..

You are barking up the wrong tree there, that is trivial for these vehicles.



Quote:
My brother is a retired steel hauler and when you hauling 70,000 lbs of coils of steel it’s a different ballgame, you have to know when to raise your trailer axles when making certain turns so you don’t tip over your load. So it’s going to be many years before you will see self driving semi trucks in the heavy haul business
Can your Brother recalculate the physics of any given situation millions of times per second? Once again trivial for these vehicles as long as they have data input, you could for example be independently lowering and raising any axle on any side counteracting the sway itself. Let me give you example of what these cars are going to be able to do. They will be able to calculate exactly when they are going to end during full stop in milliseconds and recalculating it millions of times, braking or accelerating wheels independently.


The bigger issue with these vehicles is not going to be if they can perform as well as human drivers. It's going to be scenario like a kid runs out in front of the vehicle. The vehicle is going to instantly calculate it's going to hit the kid but also calculates an option of driving the vehicle into the tree killing the driver.

Last edited by thecoalman; 08-10-2019 at 08:59 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-10-2019, 08:58 PM
 
41,813 posts, read 51,059,937 times
Reputation: 17865
Quote:
Originally Posted by easy62 View Post
There are approximately 350,000 owner-operators registered in the United States, most lease on to larger carriers and operate under that carriers DOT number. So you won’t see self driving Semi trucks in the near future, that’s 350,000 jobs and a heck of allot of Rigs.

This isn't a lack of technology to do it however the practicality of implementing it is another key issue. As you point out you have huge investment in current tech. Same thing with cars and you can't simply get rid of them.



At some point in the future this technology will be mandated in all new vehicles. Once you get to a point where a very large percentage have the technology available human driven vehicles will be outlawed.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Automotive

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:24 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top