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Old 09-24-2019, 10:23 AM
 
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Electric motors are limited on RPMs, or they start overheating. This is why hybrids cut off electric mode at certain speeds, depends on manufacturer, somewhere around 45mph.

Making a gear box of a sort makes sense in this respect.


In reality, there is no logical reason for a clutch to exist in an electric car. An electric motor can't stall, which is why a clutch is needed in a traditional internal combustion engine in the first place, so adding a clutch to an electric car doesn't make rational sense.
But on an emotional level, it is possible to have an electric car with a traditional manual. It could work exactly as any other manual gearbox in an ICE car does and provide the same enjoyment to the driver.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=42MVi6Fel-E
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:42 PM
 
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Electric motors are limited on RPMs, or they start overheating. This is why hybrids cut off electric mode at certain speeds, depends on manufacturer, somewhere around 45mph.

Except that pure electrics and cars like the Volt don't cut off the motor around 45 mph or anything like that, they simply don't have a top speed of more than 100-120 mph, which in the US and most countries, is much more than the speed limit anyhow. Prius-like hybrids have small motors that can't really move the car around much faster than 25-45mph and small battery packs that can't handle higher speeds. They are gas cars with battery assist at low speeds after all. Volts and pure EVs aren't limited by tiny motors.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:06 PM
 
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Except that pure electrics and cars like the Volt don't cut off the motor around 45 mph or anything like that, they simply don't have a top speed of more than 100-120 mph, which in the US and most countries, is much more than the speed limit anyhow. Prius-like hybrids have small motors that can't really move the car around much faster than 25-45mph and small battery packs that can't handle higher speeds. They are gas cars with battery assist at low speeds after all. Volts and pure EVs aren't limited by tiny motors.
My Model 3 has a top speed of 145. I don’t expect to ever see that.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:23 PM
 
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No. Why?
With a manual, you can better speed up and overtake on mountain roads, etc. An automatic car is more like a lame duck.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:24 PM
 
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With a manual, you can better speed up and overtake on mountain roads, etc. An automatic car is more like a lame duck.
You need to go drive an electric motor. There is no power band like you are used to. There is a instant torque all the time.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:26 PM
 
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My Model 3 has a top speed of 145. I don’t expect to ever see that.
My Mitsubishi Space Star (gasoline), too, but it has a stick, and I love it. I can speed up and overtake a lot better with that.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:33 PM
 
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Electric motors are limited on RPMs, or they start overheating. This is why hybrids cut off electric mode at certain speeds, depends on manufacturer, somewhere around 45mph.

Making a gear box of a sort makes sense in this respect.


In reality, there is no logical reason for a clutch to exist in an electric car. An electric motor can't stall, which is why a clutch is needed in a traditional internal combustion engine in the first place, so adding a clutch to an electric car doesn't make rational sense.
But on an emotional level, it is possible to have an electric car with a traditional manual. It could work exactly as any other manual gearbox in an ICE car does and provide the same enjoyment to the driver.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=42MVi6Fel-E
Of course does it make sense. I love the stick, and I want an environmentally friendly vehicle that doesn't stink. Automatic is for old grandmas, but I could go for a gearbox if it causes the same joy of driving, though.

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Old 09-24-2019, 01:37 PM
 
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My Mitsubishi Space Star (gasoline), too, but it has a stick, and I love it. I can speed up and overtake a lot better with that.
There aren’t low torque points the way you are used to. Go schedule a test drive.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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What doesn't make sense to me, are these autonomous and self driving cars. I kindly want to have my car completely under control, which includes a manual transmission.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:44 PM
 
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You need to go drive an electric motor. There is no power band like you are used to. There is a instant torque all the time.
I think, you got me wrong. I asked about the idea to invent one.
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