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Old 10-13-2019, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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How can you say that when 5 years ago, spiking gas prices DID change sales? The F150 gets a lot of sales for commercial use as truck sales do in general. Not to mention, on average trucks cost more than sedans.
And 5 years ago full size SUVs and CUV’s and pickups the engines were not getting the mpg they are now. And 5 years ago you didn’t have as many baby boomers retiring like they are now and want a bigger vehicle. Because sedans are smaller and there’s no more the big Mercury Grand Marquis, or the big Buick sedans. So just get use to it the automotive industry is getting rid of sedans they are not selling. Why build something that just sits on dealers lots. And the F 150 sells mor to the general public than fleet sales, as well as GM and Ram.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:57 AM
 
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I think sedan sales will even out at about 20-25% of new vehicle sales at some point. I still see plenty of new Camrys, Altimas, Accords, and Chargers with drive out tags in my area in the south all the time. So for those who are saying sedans will go extinct, I doubt it happens except for GM and Ford.

I don't think the shift to CUVs is a fluke either. They offer best of all worlds now. Good gas mileage, interior/cargo space, ride height, and ease of entry/exit out of a vehicle, which is important for an aging population. Anybody who thinks that the will fall out of favor is delusional. This time if the economy tanks or gas prices spike, CUVs will likely adsorb most of the truck and large Suv sales/market loss. Sedans may gain some sales in a bad economy, but for the foreseeable future CUVs will dominate the market. For Automakers its a win win with CUVs. They are based on car platforms, likely don't cost much more than a sedan to produce and they have a larger profit margin.
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:07 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Would mini crossovers like Toyota CHR count as a truck or car?
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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I think sedan sales will even out at about 20-25% of new vehicle sales at some point. I still see plenty of new Camrys, Altimas, Accords, and Chargers with drive out tags in my area in the south all the time. So for those who are saying sedans will go extinct, I doubt it happens except for GM and Ford.

I don't think the shift to CUVs is a fluke either. They offer best of all worlds now. Good gas mileage, interior/cargo space, ride height, and ease of entry/exit out of a vehicle, which is important for an aging population. Anybody who thinks that the will fall out of favor is delusional. This time if the economy tanks or gas prices spike, CUVs will likely adsorb most of the truck and large Suv sales/market loss. Sedans may gain some sales in a bad economy, but for the foreseeable future CUVs will dominate the market. For Automakers its a win win with CUVs. They are based on car platforms, likely don't cost much more than a sedan to produce and they have a larger profit margin.

The only ones who will know if sedan sales even out are the automakers and they are looking at the sales forecast numbers and they don’t see that. So they should know it’s their business to know what’s going to sell and what is not going to sell.
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Old 10-13-2019, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Riding a rock floating through space
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Really the only two major differences are the sliding door and the boxier APPEARANCE. So you hang on perception, instead of reality. I guess that makes you feel better about what you drive. Check the chassis's and drivetrains.

Sorry I hit a nerve.
The only nerves being hit around here are car owners butt hurt because the market doesn't care about their choice in vehicles anymore. I certainly don't, I hate having to climb into and out of a cramped sedan. Their design has been made obsolete by much more comfortable and practical cuvs that now get close to the same mpg and performance.
Sorry about that.
And btw, anyone with a set of eyes can see that cuvs are clearly different than minivans. If the market wanted minivans they wouldn't have gone the way of the dodo bird, the same direction sedans are heading.
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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The only nerves being hit around here are car owners butt hurt because the market doesn't care about their choice in vehicles anymore. I certainly don't, I hate having to climb into and out of a cramped sedan. Their design has been made obsolete by much more comfortable and practical cuvs that now get close to the same mpg and performance.
Sorry about that.
And btw, anyone with a set of eyes can see that cuvs are clearly different than minivans. If the market wanted minivans they wouldn't have gone the way of the dodo bird, the same direction sedans are heading.
Funny how certain people think CUV’s look like minivans need glasses. These people are not automotive enthusiasts imo if they can’t see the difference between a Dodge caravan and a Nissan Rough or a Dodge Durango. I’m glad i grew up in the large 60’s and 70’s when people were true vehicle enthusiasts.
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Old 10-13-2019, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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If you look at the coastal states though it's Civics, Corolla's, Outbacks, Accords. That's what matters, because more people live there & more influential people. Also, smarter people, hence the brain drain. It's your rural folks in flyover country (where I live) driving large pickups (& taking out loans to do so.) Go to San Fransisco, Seattle, & other places of influence & how many trucks to you see? Barely any.
I don’t care what a bunch of silly, crazy liberal, wannabe Europeans drive.

I’m not “not smart” because I don’t want to drive a Prius.

These people also think Socialism is good for America.
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:33 PM
 
Location: 0.83 Atmospheres
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I don’t care what a bunch of silly, crazy liberal, wannabe Europeans drive.

I’m not “not smart” because I don’t want to drive a Prius.

These people also think Socialism is good for America.
Wow. Apparently your patriotism is defined by a pick up truck. Cool!
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Wow. Apparently your patriotism is defined by a pick up truck. Cool!
Because I don’t care if the most liberal people in the nation don’t approve of my GMC Yukon?
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Old 10-13-2019, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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Why does a car thread have to turn into a political rant? Good grief, get off the internet for a while and take a walk.

I do and don’t understand the CUV thing. Yeah I understand wanting the room, but a wagon will basically do the same thing while handling better and getting better fuel economy. A minivan is even better at hauling and is arguably the most versatile vehicle you can get. I guess most consumers find CUVs as the ultimate blend of attributes, where all I see is a series of compromises.
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