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If you like ice cream, but hate chocolate, is safe to assume you'll hate chocolate ice cream.
Likewise I don't run around telling everybody to try the ice cream I do like because that's what's odd.
I think you fail to understand your own analogy. It is not safe to assume you will hate anything that you have not tried. You are the guy running around trying to tell everyone else that they will not like chocolate when you have never tried chocolate yourself.
I never said that they didn't - You did - read your own posts.
Why do YOU care so much about this stuff? You don't know if you like it or not because you have never been in one. A hater is going to hate - and you seem to hate anything or anyone saying positive things about any EV. EVs are not for everyone but quit trying to make it your mission to denigrate EVERYONE who has anything positive to say.
As I pointed out before - the "ranked among most unreliable" was a web site that linked to another with 2 cars reporting minor problems - bad reporting and incorrect. Your comment on interior is an opinion not a fact. I am tired of pointing out all the fallacies in your statements - get real - you currently add nothing to these discussions.
You're defending a post regarding the cost of charger installation and posted your anecdote as proof. Sorry but that's meaningless. No need to even bring it up.
What positive statement am I denigrating? You're so sensitive to your model's perceived popularity you felt compelled to jump into another conversation. We were talking EV charging station installation cost and you busted out with Tesla sales specifics in Norway. Nice work!
I sure couldn't tell you offhand, nor do I care, exactly how popular my cars are in America much less Norway and Great Britain.
I stated my opinions (such as the interior) and now you're tired of pointing out the fallacies of what my opinion should be. Your job as an opinion corrector must be exhausting.
You're defending a post regarding the cost of charger installation and posted your anecdote as proof. Sorry but that's meaningless. No need to even bring it up.
What positive statement am I denigrating? You're so sensitive to your model's perceived popularity you felt compelled to jump into another conversation. We were talking EV charging station installation cost and you busted out with Tesla sales specifics in Norway. Nice work!
I sure couldn't tell you offhand, nor do I care, exactly how popular my cars are in America much less Norway and Great Britain.
I stated my opinions (such as the interior) and now you're tired of pointing out the fallacies of what my opinion should be. Your job as an opinion corrector must be exhausting.
I think you fail to understand your own analogy. It is not safe to assume anything that you have not tried. You are the guy running around trying to tell everyone else that they will not like chocolate when you have never tried chocolate yourself.
I've never once told anybody to not like a Tesla or anything else they like.
I have been told why I should like chocolate ice cream complete with a given list of "facts" of why it taste better and exactly how much of it is sold in Norway (with appropriately generous chocolate ice cream subsidies of course).
All I can do is share my own opinions and shed some light through some propaganda where appropriate. Fanboys are a terrible source of unbiased information. Given it's a general auto discussion forum, maybe between the fanboys and haters somebody can get a clearer view of a topic. That is the overall point.
Otherwise if conflicting information and opinions bother you, perhaps you should join Tesla's own forums instead.
This is why you are apparently oblivious to Tesla's reliability. If something isn't favorable, you denigrate the messenger and stick your head back in the sand.
I've never once told anybody to not like a Tesla or anything else they like.
I have been told why I should like chocolate ice cream complete with a given list of "facts" of why it taste better and exactly how much of it is sold in Norway (with appropriately generous chocolate ice cream subsidies of course).
All I can do is share my own opinions and shed some light through some propaganda where appropriate. Fanboys are a terrible source of unbiased information. Given it's a general auto discussion forum, maybe between the fanboys and haters somebody can get a clearer view of a topic. That is the overall point.
Otherwise if conflicting information and opinions bother you, perhaps you should join Tesla's own forums instead.
You repeatedly have denigrated anyone not agreeing with your "opinion" and because you have no experience to base it on, a terrible source for unbiased information. Every time you are proven wrong you ignore it, you are not giving a "clearer view" of anything. There is a reason why over 90% of Tesla buyers repeat. Perhaps you should cull the hate until you get some first hand knowledge.
On reliability - You might want to read the links you posted, most of the info go back to one issue on early 2016 Model X's and the same survey source - not their own info.
You repeatedly have denigrated anyone not agreeing with your "opinion" and because you have no experience to base it on, a terrible source for unbiased information. Every time you are proven wrong you ignore it, you are not giving a "clearer view" of anything. There is a reason why over 90% of Tesla buyers repeat. Perhaps you should cull the hate until you get some first hand knowledge.
On reliability - You might want to read the links you posted, most of the info go back to one issue on early 2016 Model X's and the same survey source - not their own info.
State the post that I’ve denigrated anybody.
Any personal experience is only one dataset. It’s essentially meaningless. Especially given reliability statistics.
Tesla’s unreliability is hardly a secret. Read some more of those links.
The only thing I like to add is that an EV currently is like a new smartphone. If you buy one you have to keep up with its own upkeep. It's not like a regular car. I don't even think you should buy EV for gas savings because you won't see it unless you drive it for 5 years without any major issues.
The reason you should buy one if you want the benefits with performance and in-car features.
I own a Prius and people give it no respect but it is by far one of the most reliable car I ever owned and easiest to service. I just got my brakes done on the Honda Pilot but on the Prius I never had to change brake pads with over 80k mi driven. Regenerative brakes and not using the real brakes much allowed me to do that.
On EVs, other than tires and software updates there should be very little maintenance.
Any personal experience is only one dataset. It’s essentially meaningless. Especially given reliability statistics.
Tesla’s unreliability is hardly a secret. Read some more of those links.
Anyone with no experience has zero data sets - your opinion is essentially meaningless. You discount and disparage any personal accounts as irrelevant, like the fact that I have had essentially zero issues with 4 EVs. The reports you cited were Consumer Reports issues with early Model X's, not all Tesla's - they even say that Tesla's have the highest owner satisfaction ever recorded. Here is what they say about reliabilty:
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Although the Model S has been at or near the top of its segment in its Overall Score, the Model X SUV has suffered from below average reliability scores from its owners.
“Owners report issues with the Model X’s falcon doors, electronic front doors, large windshield glass, and other hardware issues,” Fisher said, “but not with its powertrain."
Also CR is a little behind the times with a car like Tesla. I used to be one of their sources for this data, and can tell you it could use some updates. They ask to report on any issues with the car, with no question about resolution and no expectation it will change. Tesla's ability to do over-the-air updates means that significant improvements can be made to correct issues after delivery. CR ratings do not reflect that type of improvements - ok with standard car, not with a computer on wheels. They even experienced with their report on braking issues with the Model 3 but have yet to account for it.
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