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Old 12-02-2019, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Often no one!

Two hearings reveal that neither the federal government nor many states are monitoring the hundreds of self-driving vehicles being tested on US roads.
A few hundred self-driving cars are undergoing testing on American roads, more than 60 companies are registered to test in California alone, but exactly how many vehicles are testing, where they're doing it, and how those cars are performing is mostly anyone's guess.
In many states, companies experimenting with autonomous vehicles don't have to specify, and the federal government doesn't keep track of either. There's no requirement. There's no evaluation. There are no real standards issued.
Right now, all the self-driving vehicles testing on public roads are just normal cars with some extra software thrown in...

https://www.wired.com/story/regulati...g-cars-no-one/
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Old 12-02-2019, 03:34 PM
 
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Surprised?
It's the U of S. You can do anything you want to, as far as you are not getting caught.

Like it or not, I do miss g'ol socialism in many respects.
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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Ultimately the USDOT would be the folks to regulate the vehicles. The regulations and oversight would start with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Being this is new technology and not in production things like Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards are not in place, yet. This is technology still in testing. Experimentation tends to lead to lax regulations or lack of regulation.

There has been discussions held trying to tackle regulation. Sitting in some some of these meetings is often dry and far out. At least from a commercial vehicle standpoint.

When there is a crash involving an autonomous vehicle the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) will investigate the crash. The NTSB will issue a final report with recommendations to improve safety. However, it is up to the parent regulatory agency to implement or dismiss the recommendations of the board.

The NTSB is investigating the Uber crash with fatality that occurred in Phoenix. There are some human factors in this crash.

It is the growing pains of developing technology.
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Old 12-03-2019, 03:43 PM
 
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The NTSB’s take on the Timpe AZ crash.

https://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/Doc...G-abstract.pdf

The docket:
https://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/h...B0E4E4A1F84E1E
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Old 12-04-2019, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Kirkland, WA (Metro Seattle)
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Surprised?
It's the U of S. You can do anything you want to, as far as you are not getting caught.

Like it or not, I do miss g'ol socialism in many respects.
The bolded is a despicable comment, in my opinion, since it always ends up in murder and plunder of the 'haves', but let's move on.

Thank God the 'haves' are heavily armed in this country.

Insurance premiums are one bulwark against bad behavior in the United States. Run over enough bums and winos who believe they own the road (RE accident w/autonomous vehicle in Tempe couple years ago), enough "lawsuits" and crying babies, there will be more regulation. That's probably a good thing.
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Old 12-04-2019, 02:34 PM
 
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I dont understand why so many people are concerned with the safety of SD cars...we have had motorized cars for decades now, 100s of 1000s of people have been injured or killed due to motor vehicle accidents or malfunctions...and yet NO ONE is calling for more restrictions or to go back to horse and buggy. For the most part, the human death toll has been acceptable for the convenience motorized cars provide, why should it be any different for SD cars?


Especially when you consider how much convenience SD cars will provide to society, no longer be age or health restrictions on driving, DUIs will be a thing of the past, truck drivers will not have to be away from their families for weeks, no more full coverage insurance needed, etc, I could on and on.
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Old 12-04-2019, 02:45 PM
 
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And quite a few jobs will be lost along the way of all that conveniences described. Same truck drivers, mechanics, service folks, loaders, insurances, etc, etc, etc. entire infrastructure that is built around human vehicle operation.


Btw, I lived for 38 years in socialist country, instead of reading propaganda books and articles. So please, spare me caustic remarks. None of that wild west do as I wish would have ever been allowed. Along with drugs infestation, "homeless" pollution in the streets, mass shootings, pornography, and so on.
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Old 12-05-2019, 08:40 AM
 
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And quite a few jobs will be lost along the way of all that conveniences described. Same truck drivers, mechanics, service folks, loaders, insurances, etc, etc, etc. entire infrastructure that is built around human vehicle operation.


Btw, I lived for 38 years in socialist country, instead of reading propaganda books and articles. So please, spare me caustic remarks. None of that wild west do as I wish would have ever been allowed. Along with drugs infestation, "homeless" pollution in the streets, mass shootings, pornography, and so on.
Well, when the motorized car took over from horse and buggy, some industries and jobs were no longer needed anymore, but more importantly new ones sprung up to cater to the new type of vehicle...same thing will happen with SD cars too.


Since people are no longer driving, that means, they will be sitting there with nothing to do...I can imagine alot of new products and services that could become very popular.
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Old 12-05-2019, 09:52 AM
 
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Often no one!

Two hearings reveal that neither the federal government nor many states are monitoring the hundreds of self-driving vehicles being tested on US roads.
A few hundred self-driving cars are undergoing testing on American roads, more than 60 companies are registered to test in California alone, but exactly how many vehicles are testing, where they're doing it, and how those cars are performing is mostly anyone's guess.
In many states, companies experimenting with autonomous vehicles don't have to specify, and the federal government doesn't keep track of either. There's no requirement. There's no evaluation. There are no real standards issued.
Right now, all the self-driving vehicles testing on public roads are just normal cars with some extra software thrown in...

https://www.wired.com/story/regulati...g-cars-no-one/
Keep in mind that having no specific statute does not mean you don’t face liability for a reckless disregard for risks of bodily injury. If you know that your self driving car is substantially more likely to hit a pedestrian than a human driver, for example, then you can face legal action if you set your vehicle loose and it hits and kills or severely injures someone. I think you can also face liability if you engineer a self driving vehicle and set it loose without doing safety testing beforehand since that could also be considered general negligence.

If I were on a jury, I would definitely consider it negligence if you subjected your self driving car to less rigorous standards than human drivers are held to, and death or bodily injury result.
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Old 12-05-2019, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Surprised?
It's the U of S. You can do anything you want to, as far as you are not getting caught.

Like it or not, I do miss g'ol socialism in many respects.
Hey, in the Political forum, they are talking about cars.

As they say in Atlanta, "Delta is ready when you are"

Bless your heart.
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