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Since then some things have changed. A few companies have shown massive sales growth, meanwhile many have shown decreased sales, issued profit warnings, and had significant layoffs.
The EV market transition seems more inevitable than a year ago.
Who do you think is in the worst of shape? Choose several.
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Nissan is a disaster.
Don't be surprised if they and Mitsubishi separate from Renault and align themselves with more like-minded partners.
By like-minded, I mean Japanese.
US Fiat 500/500X/500L sales have cratered. They've fallen off by about 90% from their combined peak about 5 years ago. Of course, it's a global car company, and Fiat didn't have any US car sales 10 years ago. Still, this can't be good, and I believe Chinese sales for Fia have encountered similar drastic reductions.
US Fiat 500/500X/500L sales have cratered. They've fallen off by about 90% from their combined peak about 5 years ago. Of course, it's a global car company, and Fiat didn't have any US car sales 10 years ago. Still, this can't be good, and I believe Chinese sales for Fia have encountered similar drastic reductions.
Eventually they'll wise up and send FIAT back to Italy again.
They will not make the same mistake with Peugeot.
They'll continue to sell FIATs in the U.S. the same way they do now... disguised as Jeeps.
I expect a similar strategy for Peugeot, only this time they'll disguise them as Chryslers.
Eventually they'll wise up and send FIAT back to Italy again.
They will not make the same mistake with Peugeot.
They'll continue to sell FIATs in the U.S. the same way they do now... disguised as Jeeps.
I expect a similar strategy for Peugeot, only this time they'll disguise them as Chryslers.
Fiat will discontinue production of the current-generation Fiat 500 and 500e in North America," a company spokesperson told Roadshow on Monday. "Current inventory of the 2019 Fiat 500 and 500e will last into 2020." In the US, Fiat's lineup will be limited to the 500X compact crossover and 500L tall hatchback.
It isn't hard to see why the Renegade has been a success for Fiat. What we have here is a very Jeepy "cute ute" crossover SUV that definitely feels like it wants to get dirtier than, say, a Mazda CX-3 or Honda HR-V.
Nissan is a fuggin disaster and get bailed out by their fleet sales + rogue + altima. If those turn they are done and Infinti is in the toilet as well.
Fiat is abysmal in the US but gets rescued by their global penaltration.
I'm going with the one that's had to be bailed out TWICE in the past. Chrysler.
Chrysler has a history of coming to the brink of death, getting bailed out/propped back up, building decent cars for a while and then going back to their cost-cutting mediocrity. They keep repeating the same mistakes - building good-looking junk being the biggest one. Only being competitive in a few niches - those niches being large, inefficient vehicles. They're behind the ball on hybrid and EV technology. If gas went back to 5 bucks a gallon, Chrysler would be in real trouble.
The Fiat side of things is bad. They came in with some crappy small cars in 2011 that were semi-popular for a couple years before word got out as to how junk they were.
Let's take a look at the last 50 years of Chrysler's history:
Early 1970s: Chrysler builds a lot of "cool" but inefficient vehicles with below average reliability. GM and Ford pay more attention to small cars and build more reliable vehicles as a whole, but none are that great at it. Foreign cars are an afterthought to them; yes, hippies are buying Volkswagen en masse, but the Big Three still have something like 90% of the market, and Chrysler's carved out a decent chunk of that.
1973-1979: Gas crisis hits in 1973, right around the time the quality of imported Japanese cars improves to a level that makes them palatable to the American market. GM and Ford respond by improving quality and downsizing their full-size cars, making them far more efficient but just as good. They, as well as Chrysler, introduce more small car lines (although many of Chrysler's small cars were actual Japanese cars, they were re-badged Mitsubishis). Second gas crisis hits in 1979. With their class-leading, efficient full-size cars (introduced for '77), they weather the crisis well. Ford does okay too. Chrysler has to get bailed out.
1980s-2009: Chrysler quality improves, for a while. They introduce the minivan and the K-Cars, ultimately deriving almost their entire lineup on the K platform. They also do things like pioneering airbags in small and midsize cars. Led by Iacocca, they do well but after Iacocca steps down in 1992, quality suffers. Vehicles are rushed to development, and while they look good, reliability suffers. Through a combination of good looks, competitive features and marketing, Chrysler does well through the 1990s. After the turn of the millennium, things turn sharply worse. Now, they're not building cars that look good on the showroom floor but lack longevity, they're just junk all the way around. The only good vehicles they build become gas hog SUVs and trucks. Then gas gets expensive again... bailout number 2 in less than 30 years.
2009-present: After the bailout, Chrysler makes better vehicles. They improve their lineup, and Fiat comes in. In the early 2010's, they show a lot of promise. But hints of their bad old self show through: they let the Jeep Compass, Patriot, and Dodge Journey go a decade without a redesign, when they sucked to begin with. They finally made a good midsize sedan for the first time in many years (the 2015 Chrysler 200) and what do they do? They can it after two years. They trumpet a hybrid minivan that barely sells while companies like Honda, Toyota and even GM pump out hybrids/PHEVs by the hundreds of thousands.
Let's take a look at the last 50 years of Chrysler's history:
Early 1970s: Chrysler builds a lot of "cool" but inefficient vehicles with below average reliability. GM and Ford pay more attention to small cars and build more reliable vehicles as a whole, but none are that great at it. Foreign cars are an afterthought to them; yes, hippies are buying Volkswagen en masse, but the Big Three still have something like 90% of the market, and Chrysler's carved out a decent chunk of that.
1973-1979: Gas crisis hits in 1973, right around the time the quality of imported Japanese cars improves to a level that makes them palatable to the American market. GM and Ford respond by improving quality and downsizing their full-size cars, making them far more efficient but just as good. They, as well as Chrysler, introduce more small car lines (although many of Chrysler's small cars were actual Japanese cars, they were re-badged Mitsubishis). Second gas crisis hits in 1979. With their class-leading, efficient full-size cars (introduced for '77), they weather the crisis well. Ford does okay too. Chrysler has to get bailed out.
1980s-2009: Chrysler quality improves, for a while. They introduce the minivan and the K-Cars, ultimately deriving almost their entire lineup on the K platform. They also do things like pioneering airbags in small and midsize cars. Led by Iacocca, they do well but after Iacocca steps down in 1992, quality suffers. Vehicles are rushed to development, and while they look good, reliability suffers. Through a combination of good looks, competitive features and marketing, Chrysler does well through the 1990s. After the turn of the millennium, things turn sharply worse. Now, they're not building cars that look good on the showroom floor but lack longevity, they're just junk all the way around. The only good vehicles they build become gas hog SUVs and trucks. Then gas gets expensive again... bailout number 2 in less than 30 years.
2009-present: After the bailout, Chrysler makes better vehicles. They improve their lineup, and Fiat comes in. In the early 2010's, they show a lot of promise. But hints of their bad old self show through: they let the Jeep Compass, Patriot, and Dodge Journey go a decade without a redesign, when they sucked to begin with. They finally made a good midsize sedan for the first time in many years (the 2015 Chrysler 200) and what do they do? They can it after two years. They trumpet a hybrid minivan that barely sells while companies like Honda, Toyota and even GM pump out hybrids/PHEVs by the hundreds of thousands.
Fiat-Chrysler's position is precarious.
I guess you haven’t herd that Chrysler Fiat has merged with PSA so you’re assumption is wrong research before making broad statements.
Citing increased cost-saving efficiencies Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and French automaker Groupe PSA have announced an agreement to merge, forming the fourth-largest global automaker by volume and third largest by revenue.
“This is a merger between two healthy companies,” said PSA Chairman and CEO Carlos Tavares during a conference call with financial analysts. “We are not only proud but very excited about creating this new company that is going to deliver a new leader for a new era in sustainable mobility.”
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