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Old 02-12-2020, 11:42 AM
 
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Oh wait - I thought self-driving cars were the future and that the future was NOW.

What happened????
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:43 AM
 
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If you're ready to intervene at any time with both hands on the wheel, then you're pretty much driving. So I don't even understand the point of having the AutoPilot.
Exactly. And there's absolutely no reason you should have to be alert to the point of where you need to COURSE CORRECT THE AUTO-PILOT FROM SLAMMING INTO A WALL
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:44 AM
 
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"Killed by Tesla Autopilot" is a bit of a stretch.

Key quote from the article: "Tesla says Autopilot is intended for driver assistance and that drivers must be ready to intervene at all times. The company says drivers should have both hands on the wheel and stay in control of the vehicle."
In other news, dump trucks are now displaying signs that say, "Not responsible for broken windshields".
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Old 02-12-2020, 12:41 PM
 
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Dont forget that the several hundred people killed in the max jet crashes died because of failed autopilots. The auto pilot systems in airplanes cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per plane and are operated by highly trained pilots.Tesla is crazy even thinking of using it in cars . I think its a scam idea to sell more cars..
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Old 02-12-2020, 12:50 PM
 
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"Must be ready to intervene at all times" means you have your hands on the wheel. The description of the feature and its disclaimer are in stark contradiction with one another.

1 second is a standard reaction time built into driver training videos for drivers that have their hands ON THE WHEEL. A driver with their hands off the wheel will require more time, and you can hit or be hit in much less time than that by a driver who, less than 1 second ago, was in his lane and driving straight.

The math doesn't work out, nor does Tesla's logic. It's one or the other.
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Old 02-12-2020, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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He knew it was dangerous, had talked about that spot before, yet still used Autopilot and now he's dead?

Must be one of those ridiculously gifted people (if he's an Apple engineer) who lack common sense.
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Old 02-12-2020, 01:02 PM
 
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But truckers will be replaced by this?
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Old 02-12-2020, 01:09 PM
 
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He knew it was dangerous, had talked about that spot before, yet still used Autopilot and now he's dead?

Must be one of those ridiculously gifted people (if he's an Apple engineer) who lack common sense.
Do you really want to release new features that are counter-intuitive to everything we've been taught as drivers (keep your hands on the wheel!) and have them attempt that learning curve ON PUBLIC ROADS?

Autopilot was a terrible idea and huge liability to even consider releasing. It's like saying "Relax - but not too much! Here, we won't tell you exactly what to do, we'll just have a vague disclaimer telling you to stay alert!"

There is no training on autopilot. Telling someone to "be careful" isn't a release of liability. Nor is a wet floor sign.
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Old 02-12-2020, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Do you really want to release new features that are counter-intuitive to everything we've been taught as drivers (keep your hands on the wheel!) and have them attempt that learning curve ON PUBLIC ROADS?

Autopilot was a terrible idea and huge liability to even consider releasing. It's like saying "Relax - but not too much! Here, we won't tell you exactly what to do, we'll just have a vague disclaimer telling you to stay alert!"

There is no training on autopilot. Telling someone to "be careful" isn't a release of liability. Nor is a wet floor sign.
I know that and agree. My point was, this must have been one of those ridiculously smart people who lack common sense. Lots of them out there.

He had acknowledged it was very dangerous yet used it again at that spot?
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Old 02-12-2020, 01:18 PM
 
Location: NYC
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I know that and agree. My point was, this must have been one of those ridiculously smart people who lack common sense. Lots of them out there.

He had acknowledged it was very dangerous yet used it again at that spot?
Too much faith in software and helping Tesla beta test for free.
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